Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Yes but as others have said over and over, the vaccine will stop the virus making most people seriously ill and needing hospitalization. The latter threatens to overwhelm the NHS.

17 000 in hospital now and around 300 deaths a day. Why do so few people seem to care about the medical staff who have been working flat out, understaffed and underfunded for several years now. The kind of person who goes into medicine isn't the sort who takes sickies at the drop of a hat. I think droves of them are leaving or intending to leave soon. What will the selfish do when the dedicated, unselfish doctors and nurses walk away?

I'm fully vaccinated 3 jabs but I'm totally against restricted access, fines, etc for those who choose not to have it. It's a basic human right to refuse any medical treatment or procedure unless you are under a mental health section. So should all people who don't want kids be sterilised, everyone over 80 have compulsory DNR, what else should be sanctioned and where will it end?
And those saying unvaccinated make them feel unsafe why?
The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or passing it on. It just reduces your need for hospital treatment, and from dying of Covid. There is no evidence that unvaccinated pass it on more than vaccinated people. No figures or research on this.
So why do we need vaccine passports?

Well said sazz1. A slippery slope towards who knows what sanctions in the name of ‘public safety’

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sazz1 To keep the NHS and staff open looking after other people.

It would be easier to join in here if one of you would kindly write what he actually said, I haven't seen the original French interview.

Considering the language in general use these days, people can choose to be offended if they like, but most of them probably use the expression themselves.

The main point is his policy regarding those who refuse to be vaccinated, not how he expressed it.

The sooner all countries make their citizens realise that refusing to be vaccinated or to observe the other precautions necessary to save potential lives the better.

Why in Heaven's name should these inconsiderate people get away with anti-social behaviour?

Jillyjosie

Yes but as others have said over and over, the vaccine will stop the virus making most people seriously ill and needing hospitalization. The latter threatens to overwhelm the NHS.

17 000 in hospital now and around 300 deaths a day. Why do so few people seem to care about the medical staff who have been working flat out, understaffed and underfunded for several years now. The kind of person who goes into medicine isn't the sort who takes sickies at the drop of a hat. I think droves of them are leaving or intending to leave soon. What will the selfish do when the dedicated, unselfish doctors and nurses walk away?

The nurse in our family constantly complains of other nurses taking ‘sickies’ for flimsy reasons, so you mustn’t believe the hype over ‘angels’ !
Add to that, until recently some nurses often chose to be unvaccinated themselves.Quite a lot of them choose never to have the flu jab either.

I had Covid at the end of 2019 beginning of 2020 and it was deadly. I was 79 at the time and thought I was breathing my last. I told my D that if I ever had a dose like that again it would see me off.

Only for me having the stamina and staying power I was able to fight it off. If I'd have rang emergency services I know I'd have been whizzed into hospital but the thought of catching something else on top of what I had put me off.

I totally agree with Galaxy! And I will never agree with compulsory vaccination nor with punishing those that choose against it as I see this as the thin end of the wedge!

grandtanteJE65 There is a paywall on thé Parisien on thé text regarding the interview. This was printed by France24
Dans un entretien accordé au Parisien,
"Les non-vaccinés, j'ai très envie de les emmerder. Et donc on va continuer de le faire, jusqu'au bout. C'est ça, la stratégie", a clamé Emmanuel Macron dans un entretien au Parisien.

When I was a small child I contracted polio’ from the polio’ vaccine but I am still in favour of vaccination and think that it is our strongest tool in tackling this pandemic. Macron is right in what he is advocating and his choice of language only emphasises that he means business.

I wonder what would have happened in the past if enough anti-vaxxers had refused to have the smallpox/polio/diphtheria vaccines…?

Josieann

Lucca

Josieann

Casdon you're right, it does contain the excrement word, but that in itself is used a bit more mildly in French than in English.

Did he say “faire shier “?

Nope, faire chier would gave been pretty vulgar!!

He used the expression '"emmerder les non-vaccinés"'

Macron is a little man with a big opinion of himself. I'm not quite sure what he has said but I'm pissed off by his views and that of many others.
People keep banging on about Anit-vaxxers. Just because someone has not been jabbed does NOT make them an anti vaxxer. Everyone has the right to refuse WITHOUT the consequences Macron and his like want to bestow on them.
There was an article in the newspapers the other day regarding a medication used in pregnancy some years ago (not thalidomide). It is however, still causing untold damage to thousands of 3rd generation women including cancer. So, please don't say there are no risks to these vaccines. Only the future will tell us that.

Lemongrove that's unfair and a little mean. We can all relate anecdotes but there are 000s of NHS staff out there looking after us and we may have stopped clapping but I'm bl**dy grateful.

Je me réjouis des mots actuels du Président Macron, which has not been a response of my mine before.

I'm also enjoying using "Macron" as a euphemism: "So and so Macrons/is Macronning/has Macronned me off ".

Ça plane pour moi, as the song says.

tictacnana

When I was a small child I contracted polio’ from the polio’ vaccine but I am still in favour of vaccination and think that it is our strongest tool in tackling this pandemic. Macron is right in what he is advocating and his choice of language only emphasises that he means business.

Did you have the polio vaccine that was on a sugar cube tictacnana ?

My post has been cancelled as those who found my post offensive are probably running the show anyway and don't like the truth or opposing views. Just proves my point in my opinion.

EllanVannin, Alegrias1 and Kjmpde and others who have given opposing views - I thank you wholeheartedly for seeing both sides doing the research, not having a blinkered view and for the courage to speak out when you see injustice. Keep up the good work. The main reason I come back to Gransnet is because of people like you. I feel that I still have a voice even if my posts are cancelled.

Einstein "never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it"

Flattery makes friends - truth enemies - Spanish proverb

Laws control the lesser people, right conduct the greater ones- Chinese proverb

It would be helpful to not be hysterical or to make grand assertions about numbers of people affected as though the Daily Express were a Bible and not a rag of cheap, sensationalist journalism.

There was a drug given to women in the 1960s and 70s intended to prevent early delivery but which turned out to be one of the many causes of cancer. It was mostly used in the US, France and the Netherlands and women who received are not being ignored. This is informative:

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/diethylstilbestrol

It's a long way, scientifically and medically from drugs used to prevent miscarriage to vaccination. I suppose we could go back to the Middle Ages when life expectancy was zilch but I'm not queueing up!

The Daily Express ran a story about the above in its usual run down of things that cause cancer. One story is positive association is proven between drinking alcohol and bowel cancer. Shall we all start backing abstinence and lobbying the alcoholic drinks manufacturers?

I would imagine that would have a dramatically positive impact on the NHS Jilly

Totally agree! Was in Cyprus a few weeks ago. Had to show vaccine status even to get into the corner shop, all restaurants, supermarkets etc. Quick and easy. No problem. But. No vaccine. No entry. I felt very safe there as at that time, covid numbers were very low

Alegrias1

Theoddbird

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. They are taking up spaces and putting stress on the NHS.

As far as a swear word being used by Emmanuel Macron...I am sure it was done in absolute frustration. I can't understand why such a fuss is being made about it. I never swear but can understand why he did...

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.

No they're not. No they're not. No they're not.

How many times?

The national average of unvaccinated people in NHS beds is around 48%. However, some London hospitals have 80-90% in their wards and ICU's. The numbers change all the time and it all depends on where people get their information from.

Being in ICU is not the same as being in hospital.

People should get their information from trustworthy sources, don't you think?