Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Craftygrannie you are correct about still being able to catch Covid inspite of being fully vaccinated. The difference is though you are very unlikely to need to be hospitalised. That's the major push for vaccination now.

Lizzifish1

Totally agree! Was in Cyprus a few weeks ago. Had to show vaccine status even to get into the corner shop, all restaurants, supermarkets etc. Quick and easy. No problem. But. No vaccine. No entry. I felt very safe there as at that time, covid numbers were very low

Really? How's that vaccine passport idea working for them now then?

There's no point introducing measures that don't work just because they might be popular.

If you think you are being hard done by, other countries are trying to lower hospital admissions. For the unvaccinated in Canada no unemployment pay will be given to the people without work. Moreover, Italy the vaccination is mandatory for the over 50s, (it has not been decided what will happen if this is flouted) and in Greece 60 year olds unvaccinated will be fined.

For the unvaccinated in Canada no unemployment pay will be given to the people without work.

Bloody hell. Will they just starve then?

That sounds fair.

Many places are now saying, no pay if you have to isolate because of Covid and are unvaccinated.
Do you think they will just not isolate?

I admire him for saying it like it is. I’m heartily fed up with people who think it’s ok to put everyone else at risk.

Yes Trudeau isnt really a long term thinker either.

I'm all for pissing them off

Canadians must present their Proof of Vaccination and their ID at restaurants, gyms, community centres, indoor sport events wedding venues and more.
Proof of Vaccination and ID is also required by travellers 12 and over boarding domestic flights or trains.
The policy was introduced across the country from September 2021 onwards .
The vaccination rate increased!

I looked at Canada's unemployment benefit program.
"Workers who lose their jobs over a refusal to comply with a vaccine mandatee MAY not be eligible for unemployment benefits".
"A fundamental principle of the employment insurance benefit program is that claiments must lose their employment through no fault of their own".
So for example mandatory vaccination applies to people working in health care, school settings etc. If a worker is dismissed because she/he refuses to get vaccinated she/he MAY not receve welfare. However a worker might be
be offered another job in the same establishment but not amongest patients or children.

According to Mr Johnson the number of unvaccinated in hospital seems to have dropped drastically from 80% plus to around 30% plus over the past few days? And most people in intensive care have not been boosted - which I assume means that they have been double vaccinated as the booster is a third vaccination! This then is another way of saying that almost all of those in intensive care have been double jabbed. Always read between the lines as Mr Johnson has already been proved to be economical with the truth....

Quote from BBC News

He said some 30-40% of the 17,000 patients in hospital with Covid "haven't actually been vaccinated at all". This is "increasingly true" of those in intensive care, added Mr Johnson, as the "overwhelming majority of them have not been boosted".

Josieann

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Josieann

Casdon you're right, it does contain the excrement word, but that in itself is used a bit more mildly in French than in English.

Did he say “faire shier “?

Nope, faire chier would gave been pretty vulgar!!

Emmerder is not much less vulgar!

And good on him.

Alegrias1

Being in ICU is not the same as being in hospital.

People should get their information from trustworthy sources, don't you think?

The ward I worked on was next door to ICU and was most definitely in the hospital. Where do you think ICU's are based? Anyone being treated or dying from Covid in ICU's are counted in the figures.

I am fed up to the back teeth with people posting incorrect and misleading information.

Suppose somebody says 80% of people in hospital are unvaxxed. That's not true. Its not true even if you are the PM or if your sister's auntie's best friend works in a hospital.

So when stats come out that say that most people in hospital are vaccinated, which is true, then the anti-vaxxers jump on it and try to say there is no point in being vaccinated and that the authorities are lying to us.

Everybody should take responsibility for making sure that what they say or post is correct and that means everybody.

Figures change on a daily basis Alegrias1. Hospital admissions will vary from one hospital to the next. The percentage of vaccinated/non-vaccinated will not be the same in every hospital across the UK. All people are posting are figures they have seen. That may well be correct for a GN's own area but won't tally with another GN. They are not being irresponsible or misleading, just posting the figures they have to hand.

No sorry, Sarnia, I disagree with you, they are misleading figures.

If people post what they are seeing in their local wards, that gets picked up by people and used in a general way. We have seen it repeatedly on here, for instance when one consultant on the BBC said that there were 90% unvaccinated people in his ICU and then we had Grans saying that the hospitals were full of unvaccinated people.

And let's just say that in one hospital there are high numbers of unvaccinated people in one ICU. So what? If every other hospital is different to that, then that one ICU is not representative.

We are seeing the demonisation of the unvaccinated and that's not fair. Its also not safe. If people start to think that its the unvaccinated that are filling up our hospitals, we start to see the emergence of punitive measures for them. Misplaced punitive measure, IMO.

In the interest of disclosure, I'm triple vaxxed, as is everybody I know, I think, and I will happily take any vaccination that is necessary to get us out of this mess.

Why ae we worrying about the language, I think it's right that people cannot be allowed into potentially crowded venues etc. if they haven't been vaccinated. It's their choice.
There are those who have said the vaccine hasn't been properly tested. This is clearly ludicrous when millions of us have had the vaccine and we haven't grown extra heads.

I think it's right that people cannot be allowed into potentially crowded venues etc. if they haven't been vaccinated.

Why?

Sarnia

Alegrias1

Being in ICU is not the same as being in hospital.

People should get their information from trustworthy sources, don't you think?

The ward I worked on was next door to ICU and was most definitely in the hospital. Where do you think ICU's are based? Anyone being treated or dying from Covid in ICU's are counted in the figures.

This, exactly! One of our very good friends had to be rushed into ICU for a severe heart condition and was transferred to a specialist hospital a few hours later. He was under the knife, having a very serious operation, when the ICU phoned the other hospital to say they should cancel the operation as he might have contracted Covid in ICU. Too late, operation was well under way. He tested Positive for Covid for next day and had to be put in coma so he would not cough- etc- he took a whole year to recover, but will probably never be the same.

Alegrias1

^I think it's right that people cannot be allowed into potentially crowded venues etc. if they haven't been vaccinated.^

Why?

AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Alegrias1 I am normally in complete agreement with your posts, but I have to take issue with this last one. I completely understand people's annoyance that hospital resources are being used by people who are not vaccinated; unless there is a good reason, IMO they are being antisocial and selfish. I wouldn't advocate punitive measures per se, but I am all in favour of making their lives restricted by now being able to go into shops, restaurants etc.

I think Macron wants to be seen to be doing something will it actually make a difference probably not
They already have stricter restrictions that we do but has it stopped the increase in cases
Short of locking a whole country down tight this virus is going to have to take its natural course and we as individuals are going to have to take our own measures as we see fit

*not (not 'now'!)

In England we have banned smoking in public places, smokers have to smoke outside .their choice
l like to visit cafes ,theatres and pubs so l have my choice to breath in a smoke free atmosphere
I do not want to mix with people who by CHOICE refuse to vaccinate and risk spreading the virus to vulnerable family members therefor your choice to not vaccinate but please
don’t go to to public venues and take away my choice

Jonlin1234

In England we have banned smoking in public places, smokers have to smoke outside .their choice
l like to visit cafes ,theatres and pubs so l have my choice to breath in a smoke free atmosphere
I do not want to mix with people who by CHOICE refuse to vaccinate and risk spreading the virus to vulnerable family members therefor your choice to not vaccinate but please
don’t go to to public venues and take away my choice

Banning smoking is a little different you can guarantee there will be no smoke inside a premises
You cannot guarantee there will be no Covid transmission even if everyone is totally vacinnated.