Gransnet forums

News & politics

Will we have a new PM by the end of the month?

(117 Posts)
Sago Wed 12-Jan-22 08:27:49

I really don’t want to turn this into a slanging match!

Whatever your politics I think we can all agree Boris and his cohorts have behaved in a despicable manner.

If he is still in power by the end of the month then I don’t think I will ever vote again.

He really is like Teflon…nothing sticks.

Dominic Cummings and others I suspect are gunning for him but will they succeed?
????????

Riverwalk Wed 12-Jan-22 08:35:45

I'd be very surprised if we did.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-Jan-22 08:37:09

Not sure, but my problem is with his replacement, every single one of them are tainted by association.

They so need a complete change.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-Jan-22 08:42:52

Don’t forget that the Tory party voted for him even though they knew he was a known liar and corrupt.

The problems lies much deeper than Johnson.

Sarnia Wed 12-Jan-22 08:43:41

Boris may be backed into a corner here but it's nowhere he hasn't been before and wheedled out of it, so I expect the same over this. I hold my hand up and say I voted for Boris as he seemed the only party leader prepared to finally get Brexit done and dusted. He has turned out to be or has probably always been a self-serving liar who hopes when he's found out that his bumbling, smirking manner will somehow get him off the hook. When I look at the likely successors to Boris it makes my blood run cold. Not many choices there and what worries me more, no robust, decent alternatives in other political parties. Britain deserves so much better.

love0c Wed 12-Jan-22 08:49:08

Sarnia you have said it all.

TillyTrotter Wed 12-Jan-22 08:54:31

I am not a supporter of BJ, and feel it is time he was shown the door of No. 10 Downing St.
A popular successor would be the Chancellor, Rishi Sunak and he is tainted by association to the matter of the May 20 2020 possible “Garden Party”.
The Chancellor resides at No.11 - was he at the possible “Party”?
Was he in residence on May 20 2020?
Was he not aware of a large gathering going on (if it did) even if he did not attend?
Did he report it to Policef he did see or hear anything?
Police already guard Downing Street day and night. Did they know there was maybe a “Garden Party” on May 2020 or other dates we haven’t yet heard about?
I will watch PM Questions at noon today.

TillyTrotter Wed 12-Jan-22 08:55:26

Sorry a bit of a long rumination!

Iam64 Wed 12-Jan-22 08:56:40

The tories aren’t rushing to defend him. No doubt Cummings has a stack of other misdemeanours ready to leak when he sees fit.
Johnson doesn’t have a history of apologising for his endless mistakes or lies.
When we did our review of the year on new year’s Eve with our hopes and predictions for 2022 -I predicted Johnson gone by Easter

Kim19 Wed 12-Jan-22 08:58:41

Sadly, I think he will still be there but then, he is the devil we know. I cannot think of one single person I have an iota of respect for enough to fill this. I was actually thinking of Theresa May today. I think she was honourable but, unfortunately, useless at the job.

MaizieD Wed 12-Jan-22 09:12:13

I doubt it whatever happens as there would have to be a leadership process which takes some time. The most we might have would be an 'acting' PM. How long was it between Cameron and May, or May & Johnson?

None of the possible successors are in any way desirable; they all have a Thatcher on Speed (the drug) obssession with small state (slashing public spending, bye bye NHS), deregulation (of everything, workers' pay & conditions, environmental protections, food safety standards...) and Free Market policies (which aren't as benign as they sound).

And all the authoritarian legislation that's in the pipeline will still be passed.

Johnson has been irrelevant to government for quite some time now. The ERG is in control...

GagaJo Wed 12-Jan-22 09:18:46

I'm not a Tory (never!) supporter, but SURELY they can come up with a credible alternative? They can't all be lying, selfish t**ts can they? I know I'm biased. But I'm also a realist. We're stuck with them, so would like a better alternative to those that have lied, profiteered and partied throughout the pandemic.

There MUST be some viable alternatives.

Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:21:45

You forgot about the ERG Gaga, they hold all the strings, in a very sinister way. Johnson was just a tool for them.

Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:22:26

The question for today is

will he?

won't he?

turn up for PMQT

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:23:02

Anyone not tainted as well as not associated by the ERG. A minority of MPs have held far too much power over the majority.

MaizieD Wed 12-Jan-22 09:30:05

They can come up with a more competent alternative, GagaJo, but see my previous post.

I forgot to mention that the ERG group dominating the tory MPs also overlaps closely with the 'Let's pretend covid19 no longer exists and declare total freedom from mitigation measures' parliamentary group.

lemongrove Wed 12-Jan-22 09:31:39

Sarnia

Boris may be backed into a corner here but it's nowhere he hasn't been before and wheedled out of it, so I expect the same over this. I hold my hand up and say I voted for Boris as he seemed the only party leader prepared to finally get Brexit done and dusted. He has turned out to be or has probably always been a self-serving liar who hopes when he's found out that his bumbling, smirking manner will somehow get him off the hook. When I look at the likely successors to Boris it makes my blood run cold. Not many choices there and what worries me more, no robust, decent alternatives in other political parties. Britain deserves so much better.

I agree with a lot of what you say.
However my blood doesn’t run cold looking at possible alternatives to Johnson.
The political pundits seem to think they ( the Party) will wait until after May and see how he does then.This also gives them time ( the possible successors) to get their ducks in a row.

MaizieD Wed 12-Jan-22 09:33:55

Whitewavemark2

Anyone not tainted as well as not associated by the ERG. A minority of MPs have held far too much power over the majority.

But no tory leader could get any legislation through without the support of the ERG. That was shown in December. They are the parliamentary majority. Without them the government falls..

Nell8 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:37:03

DH is apoplectic at Boris's lack of judgement and managerial skills - "He's the Prime Minister, for God's sake. What if a nuclear war broke out?"
I'm more preoccupied with wondering what all the highly paid advisors and no. 10 staff were doing to allow this situation to arise. Smirking up their sleeves maybe?

Hetty58 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:39:37

I just live in hope that we'll see the back of him - and good riddance!

Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:42:12

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

Anyone not tainted as well as not associated by the ERG. A minority of MPs have held far too much power over the majority.

But no tory leader could get any legislation through without the support of the ERG. That was shown in December. They are the parliamentary majority. Without them the government falls..

And THAT is seriously worrying and beyond ...

so many people, Tories or not, seem to totally fail to grasp the power of the ERG, and their aims.

Libman Wed 12-Jan-22 09:42:39

ERG? Would someone expand for me please?

Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:43:15

And they totally refuse, again and again, to give a list of members. They should be forced to do so. Whose remit would that be though, The Speaker? Or?

Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:44:51

So called European Research Group. Nothing to do with 'research' though, but extreme free market policies and ideologies. Extreme 'right' in a different way.

Hetty58 Wed 12-Jan-22 09:45:31

GagaJo:

'They can't all be lying, selfish t**ts can they?'

Maybe they can!