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Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

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Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 12:59:55

I won't, for sure.

Boz Thu 13-Jan-22 12:21:12

icanhandthemback

I don't accept his apology but neither do I see what good is being done with all the handwringing. This continual debating of BJ's wrongdoings seems like it will desensitise people in the long run. Where I was incandescent with rage, I am starting to feel a "give it a rest" attitude. I am sure there are other things the media can report on when it comes to BJ's misdemeanours.
I feel a sense of despair that I can't see anybody who I'd like to govern me at the moment. I can't believe anybody would think Jeremy Hunt is a good option.
The only thing to come out of this for me is that I now see why Boris accepted Dominic Cummings' trip to Durham Castle!
My worry is that this debacle is detracting from some of the more important news stories that are out there.

Exactly. Boris bashing is getting very tedious and be careful of the backlash!
My God, people are starving in Afghanistan and we are on brink of war with Russia.
Priorities.

Deedaa Thu 13-Jan-22 12:21:41

Sadly I think enough people will accept it "He's doing his best" "Labour wouldn't have done any better" etc. etc. Meanwhile the albino walrus will waffle on endlessly about Vaccine/Brexit/Vaccine/Brexit?Vaccine/Brexit

Morag65 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:22:54

Apologies after being caught. Means nothing. The man is beneath contempt. He attended and should have cancelled it. However, how many other Mps attended. The should be sacked. The police should be in to. They broke the law. You and I would have been finded heavily.

Mrsdof Thu 13-Jan-22 12:23:04

NO! NEVER! My Mum died in hospital at 101yrs old from COVID in Oct. 2020 and the nurse called me to say she only had a very short time left and would I like to speak to her because she was crying for me. I did but it was dreadfully upsetting because she was calling my name and begging me to go and see her, but of course I couldn’t. Every time I see that smarmy bastard making excuses reduces me to tears. My Mum calling for me is something I will never forget sad

Madashell Thu 13-Jan-22 12:24:00

No chance of forgiveness, ever. Whoever thought he would be suitable as our Prime Minister should have researched him and his life before voting. What is surprising is how long people have taken to see this obnoxious and self-serving creature for the liar he is. That apology was not an apology it was another deflection away from the truth. I am ashamed that he represented my country.

F1Grandma2 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:24:58

No he shouldn’t resign. He has done a great job since the pandemic began. There was no precedent to follow and I don’t think the current opposition party would have done any better. All I’ve heard is criticism not suggestions about things might be done better. Yes, he made a mistake and he should have apologised earlier. I’m sure he isn’t the only parliamentarian, across all parties, who has gone against ‘the rules’. It just so happens that he got caught out and others didn’t. He didn’t kill anyone - the virus did that, or added to other underlying conditions speeded up someone’s death. This event happened so long ago and we must move on. I accept his apology, am grateful for my vaccines and booster, and look forward to post pandemic life. If Sir Kier had had his way we would have been locked down for the last 2 years and still would be! Then where would the economy be…..

sue01 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:25:00

Spot on !

Allsorts Thu 13-Jan-22 12:28:15

It depends if you look at the whole picture, I think on the whole he has done a good job, pity about the start of pandemic, it’s fine with hindsight saying we should have done differently, for example not ordering protective coverings from abroad. He worked with Covid. Keir is continuously rooting through everything to find what he can, helped by charismatic Angela! He hasn’t got an original idea of his own so all he can do is heckle and complain thinking if Boris goes he will have a chance.

MayBee70 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:29:25

Keir has NOT been calling for perpetual lockdowns.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:30:17

MaggsMcG

I dont think they will. However Kier Starmer isa hypocrite be abuse he did something very similarlar so he shouldn't be asking for his resignation action. If Boris party has had enough of him that's a different story. However I don't think any other person is likely to any better. Might as well hang on til 2024 anqd be done with it.

Keir Starmer went to a party ?

Helenlouise3 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:31:55

Definitely not. My dil's father died from covid with no one at his side. My daughter is a nurse who caught covid in 2020 while working with no ppe. She hasn't worked since as it's affected her heart, her kidneys and her liver. He can stick his apology. Yes we've had a good vaccine rollout but lets not forget we've had the highest eath rate in Europe while he and his cronies partied!

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:31:57

Allsorts

It depends if you look at the whole picture, I think on the whole he has done a good job, pity about the start of pandemic, it’s fine with hindsight saying we should have done differently, for example not ordering protective coverings from abroad. He worked with Covid. Keir is continuously rooting through everything to find what he can, helped by charismatic Angela! He hasn’t got an original idea of his own so all he can do is heckle and complain thinking if Boris goes he will have a chance.

How many times with the “hindsight”? All the indicates from places like Italy should have told him to get on with lockdown and banning large events. If I knew with my limited contacts abroad how much more the should the PM have known ?

Alegrias1 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:32:56

So many people in the last couple of days saying Keir doesn't have any original ideas.

It's almost like everyone is being fed the same story and being told to spread it on the internet. You know, like Russian bots or something? hmm

As for pity about the start of the pandemic. That's too ridiculous even for a bot...

BlackSheep46 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:33:51

MissAdventure: That's not entirely true- there are some decent politicians still round. We just want a decent person to lead our country. Boris is a buffoon and not the image that we need for Great Britain in the world. The sooner a decent person steps up to be our PM the better.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:33:55

F1Grandma2

No he shouldn’t resign. He has done a great job since the pandemic began. There was no precedent to follow and I don’t think the current opposition party would have done any better. All I’ve heard is criticism not suggestions about things might be done better. Yes, he made a mistake and he should have apologised earlier. I’m sure he isn’t the only parliamentarian, across all parties, who has gone against ‘the rules’. It just so happens that he got caught out and others didn’t. He didn’t kill anyone - the virus did that, or added to other underlying conditions speeded up someone’s death. This event happened so long ago and we must move on. I accept his apology, am grateful for my vaccines and booster, and look forward to post pandemic life. If Sir Kier had had his way we would have been locked down for the last 2 years and still would be! Then where would the economy be…..

What on earth do you base the assertion that Starmer would have had lockdowns for the last two years on ??
Sorry but that’s absolute prejudiced nonsense.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:34:38

Alegrias1 please lend me your head against brick wall emoji

Alegrias1 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:36:16

Here you go Lucca.

Its getting a bit worn out now. Wall's still standing though.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 12:39:09

Can I borrow it after Lucca please? Done a great job? Made ‘a’ mistake? And as Uncle Tom Cobley and all know, I vote Tory (but not for BJ).

Bluecat Thu 13-Jan-22 12:39:59

Max Hastings, who was Johnson's editor at the Daily Telegraph, said that Boris Johnson wouldn't recognise the truth in an identity parade. Even before our current PM was elected, Hastings said that he wass unfit for public office because he only cares about his own fame and gratification and, although he sees himself as another Churchill, he is more of an Alan Partridge. His housemaster at Eton said in his school report that, having failed to work hard enough, "Boris seems to be genuinely affronted that an exception isn't made in his case."

These are two people who knew Johnson well and they paint a picture of someone who sees himself as special, thinks only of his own interest and has no regard for the truth. This assessment has been confirmed, if anyone was in any doubt, by the lies and bluster about the parties.

I have some sympathy with those who say that the fuss about the parties is a distraction from the terrible mess our country is in. It is true that we are in a quagmire of corruption and incompetence, as Brexit bites, we become the first European country to pass 150,000 Covid deaths, a third of all UK kids live in poverty, and people die waiting for ambulances and cancer operations because billions that could have gone to the NHS have been squandered on things that weren't fit for purpose, like the Test and Trace system or the PPE contracts. But the anger about the parties is based on a matter of principle.

The principle is that those who make the law must obey it. If those who create the rules don't follow them, how can they expect the rest of us to do so? And they have not only broken their own laws, they have also lied about it shamelessly. They have lost any shred of moral authority.

During lock down, people were fined £10,000 for organising parties. I am waiting with interest to see the organisers of the Government's parties pay similar fines.

Rose30 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:41:33

Absolutely not - had enough of useless MPs too. 50 years ago I worked for an MP who owned and ran a Hampshire estate. He had been in the Army, as a headmaster had turned a public school around, was a MFH (that was fun when the anti hunting lobby sought his support!) and an all round "good egg". I am fed up with the career politicians who have little experience of the outside world.

Rose30 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:43:10

Should have said "self-serving politicians"

Nannashirlz Thu 13-Jan-22 12:43:41

We’re you a Boris fan before you put your answer. I want to know no who’s got it in for him for all this stuff to come out now. But it doesn’t surprise me just look at how many other MPs and famous ppl who thought rules only applied to us and none of them. Who also broke them. Not sure how you can get mad at someone you don’t no. How can you say stammer didn’t break any rules were you with him 24/7 ? yeah you probably be right he will have being on his fence ?

Galaxy Thu 13-Jan-22 12:52:49

You seem to be quite mad at people you dont know.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:55:26

Stammer ? Starmer I guess, I am just asking what rules he is known to have broken ?

GillT57 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:56:00

Theoddbird

Everyone makes mistakes...I tend to look at the whole picture. Lot of people casting stones...presume they are all perfect.

Yup. I can, hand on heart, say that I did not break a single covid19 lockdown regulation, I did not meet anyone, stood shivering on doorsteps, at a distance, to hand over birthday gifts to friends, met my DS, outside, in a car park, on my own. And, I certainly did not have any pals around in the garden, drinking wine, until it was permitted. Frankly, I feel a bit of a mug now.