I’m constantly refreshing the News sites

Politicians seem to be practicing evasion and the press is practicing speculation - I despair!

Dinahmo. I have no idea why I haven’t visited, especially considering the Auld Alliance and the fact that French is the only language I have a smattering of that the natives (well in Martinique and Guadeloupe) understand.

Calistemon

Grantanow

Barry Gardiner and the Chinese 'spy' are a distraction. It's whataboutery. Boris is the topic and he has behaved atrociously. He must go.

No, it's not a distraction.

It is very worrying indeed, anyone who cannot see that is sleepwalking!

Boris Johnson should resign, yes, but the Chinese spy revelations are much, much bigger than the stories of parties at No 10. They are part of the problem and we have a Nero in charge whilst all this is happening on his watch.

You do know that this is a 5 year old story, don't you, Calistemon?

China isn't exactly deeply embedded in our ruling elite, is it?

Whereas Russia....

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

The Teflon T* won't resign until enough of his MP's call for a vote of no confidence. After the way he deselected anyone who didn't agree with him over Brexit before the last general election, I suspect some will be fearful of taking that step. So we'll be stuck with him a bit longer. The only good thing is that even Tory voters are starting to see him and his party for what they really are so there is a chance we'll get them out next time. We can live in hope!

I don't understand Sawsage2 why you would be afraid to say what you believe. I have several minority views; Scottish independence, the monarchy...and they're just the ones I can talk about in this thread without starting a war. But what I think about them, I can defend, I can discuss. If you think something but can't defend it against people who think otherwise, that's telling you something.

This is good thread; grown up discussion, mostly: www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1305637-What-will-it-take-for-the-U-K-to-stand-tall-again?pg=2

MaizieD

Calistemon

Grantanow

Barry Gardiner and the Chinese 'spy' are a distraction. It's whataboutery. Boris is the topic and he has behaved atrociously. He must go.

No, it's not a distraction.

It is very worrying indeed, anyone who cannot see that is sleepwalking!

Boris Johnson should resign, yes, but the Chinese spy revelations are much, much bigger than the stories of parties at No 10. They are part of the problem and we have a Nero in charge whilst all this is happening on his watch.

You do know that this is a 5 year old story, don't you, Calistemon?

China isn't exactly deeply embedded in our ruling elite, is it?

Whereas Russia....

Oh dear, poor Barry Gardiner - he only realised today, apparently.

China isn't exactly deeply embedded in our ruling elite, is it?

How do we know?
Our whole society is becoming dependent on China for money, goods and services, as is much of the world.

Most people I know are somewhat concerned.

Good luck

Goodness Boris missed a trick. Did he miss the chance to get the chinese spy to fork out to him as well.? What a disgrace the man is. Liar, disgraced and shown up and still hasnt even got the guts to leave, Waiting to be thrown out. I lived abroad and worked in various countries and Britain was respected and in particular the BBC news was trusted over their own radio. I do not often watch Question Time but did watch it last night. It was well run by Fiona Bruce, and I did have to feel sorry for the Tory chap who drew the very short straw , and had to face everyone. Although that did not last long when you heard the pathetic excuses provided.

Alegrias1,

Why the nastiness because I think a lot of Scots do not want to be independent whilst the Queen is alive. She loves Scotland in case you have not noticed. And I do not know where you live, but many people in other parts of UK
are not worried about Scotland leaving the union if that is what they want. What is wrong with saying that? You could pick a fight in an empty room. If you are not a Scot then my opinion is as good as yours!

Calistemon

MaizieD

Calistemon

Grantanow

Barry Gardiner and the Chinese 'spy' are a distraction. It's whataboutery. Boris is the topic and he has behaved atrociously. He must go.

No, it's not a distraction.

It is very worrying indeed, anyone who cannot see that is sleepwalking!

Boris Johnson should resign, yes, but the Chinese spy revelations are much, much bigger than the stories of parties at No 10. They are part of the problem and we have a Nero in charge whilst all this is happening on his watch.

You do know that this is a 5 year old story, don't you, Calistemon?

China isn't exactly deeply embedded in our ruling elite, is it?

Whereas Russia....

Oh dear, poor Barry Gardiner - he only realised today, apparently.

China isn't exactly deeply embedded in our ruling elite, is it?

How do we know?
Our whole society is becoming dependent on China for money, goods and services, as is much of the world.

Most people I know are somewhat concerned.

Funny they weren't concerned five years ago when the story broke.

Anniel

Alegrias1,

Why the nastiness because I think a lot of Scots do not want to be independent whilst the Queen is alive. She loves Scotland in case you have not noticed. And I do not know where you live, but many people in other parts of UK
are not worried about Scotland leaving the union if that is what they want. What is wrong with saying that? You could pick a fight in an empty room. If you are not a Scot then my opinion is as good as yours!

I am a Scot. I live here.

And I really don't appreciate being told there's no reason not to let us go after the Queen dies; we'll leave when we're ready.

And, you should probably know. The Queen is Queen of Scots too. And Charles will be King of Scots. Because independence is nothing to do with getting rid of the monarchy. So your opinion is definitely as good as mine, but it would be even better if it was based on an understanding of Scottish constitutional politics.

Sawsage2

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

Sawsage
They aren’t scared they just know that the report button would be pressed.

Sawsage2

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

Well I’m sorry but grown women should not be afraid to state their views, that seems a bit feeble ?!

If they state something as fact which is not then obviously they will encounter challenges.

Lucca

Sawsage2

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

Well I’m sorry but grown women should not be afraid to state their views, that seems a bit feeble ?!

If they state something as fact which is not then obviously they will encounter challenges.

But they might get virtually bashed by those vicious Scots.

nanna8

Lucca

Sawsage2

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

Well I’m sorry but grown women should not be afraid to state their views, that seems a bit feeble ?!

If they state something as fact which is not then obviously they will encounter challenges.

But they might get virtually bashed by those vicious Scots.

Nanna8, wha daur meddle wi’ us? ?

Who you calling vicious !?!?

?

nanna8

Lucca

Sawsage2

I think a lot of Gransnetters on this thread are too scared to say what they really think as it's got too upsetting and aggressive.

Well I’m sorry but grown women should not be afraid to state their views, that seems a bit feeble ?!

If they state something as fact which is not then obviously they will encounter challenges.

But they might get virtually bashed by those vicious Scots.

???

There are probably more Scots or those with Scottish ancestry in Australia than those left in Scotland, nanna8.

Ps before I get bashed, my dear best friend was Scottish, as are many of my friends

Calistemon

Ps before I get bashed, my dear best friend was Scottish, as are many of my friends

I hope I am one of them! ?

Alegrias1

Anniel

Alegrias1,

Why the nastiness because I think a lot of Scots do not want to be independent whilst the Queen is alive. She loves Scotland in case you have not noticed. And I do not know where you live, but many people in other parts of UK
are not worried about Scotland leaving the union if that is what they want. What is wrong with saying that? You could pick a fight in an empty room. If you are not a Scot then my opinion is as good as yours!

I am a Scot. I live here.

And I really don't appreciate being told there's no reason not to let us go after the Queen dies; we'll leave when we're ready.

And, you should probably know. The Queen is Queen of Scots too. And Charles will be King of Scots. Because independence is nothing to do with getting rid of the monarchy. So your opinion is definitely as good as mine, but it would be even better if it was based on an understanding of Scottish constitutional politics.

I'm English, have no Scottish ancestors and have only been to Scotland a few times. But I would be upset if Scotland was to leave the Union.

Marydoll

Calistemon

Ps before I get bashed, my dear best friend was Scottish, as are many of my friends

I hope I am one of them! ?

Of course you are, Marydoll always and forever! ❤

Calistemon ??

Oh, we are getting soppy ??

I hope Boris stays as he's the best we have atm.
I hope Scotland gets independence if that's what the majority of Scottish people want. Although I think they will struggle without subsidies from parliament.
And as for the Royal Family what a disgrace. Charlie as king of adultery who married a young girl to use as a brood mare and ruined her life. And Camellia will always be queen of oars. I'm a Republic fan and don't need or want the Royal family. Don't get me started about Andy... .
And I'm not afraid to comment on here. Whoops duck lolol