Russian massing on the Ukrainian border

Greyduster

^The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer^. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Do you really think that the UK, on its knees due to the Covid-Brexit combination- and isolated from the rest of Europe, is in a position to get involved in the most dangerous and destructive war ever, with a madman?

For all his evil acts and strong arm tactics Putin is most definitely not mad.

Kali2

Greyduster

The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Individual Countries are part of NATO, not a trading block which is why some Countries who although being an EU member state are not a member of NATO

simple to understand

Greyduster

^The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer^. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

BEWARE!

You are entering the Parallel Universe which is Gransnet
Be prepared to Suspend Belief

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Oh dear
Shakes head in despair

The EU per se is not a member of NATO
The EU is a union of disparate countries.
Some of these countries belong to NATO but not all of them do.

Not sure about pearl clutching I am close to ripping mine off and throwing them at the wall…

Callistemon21

^It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.^

Oh dear
Shakes head in despair

The EU per se is not a member of NATO
The EU is a union of disparate countries.
Some of these countries belong to NATO but not all of them do.

I think our posts are at best either not being read and/or understood, or just outright being ignored!

Is it too early for a large gin and gin?

Greyduster

Is it too early for a large gin and gin?

I’ll join you - cheers!

Shake your head, insult even.

So I shall repeat- the relationship of the UK, as part of NATO, with united European Countries, as part of NATO, has changed due to Brexit. The UK has so far refused to discuss the future relationship with other European countries, as part of NATO

''British opposition to formalising cooperation could be explained by the perception that the EU institutional frameworks for external security cooperation offer 'few incentives for the UK', compared to other, more flexible formats (ad hoc coalitions). The EU's proposals for possible foreign and security policy cooperation with the UK include several areas such as coordination in multilateral organisations, sanctions, crisis management, capability development, intelligence, and development. To this end, the Deputy Secretary General of the European External Action Service (EEAS), Charles Fries, argued before the European Parliament's Subcommittee on Security and Defence (SEDE) in May 2021 that, 'there is huge potential todevelop a relationship with the UK, once London is ready to engage in a discussionon security and defence with us.'' (Official EU document on Brexit implications to European security).

This has not happened yet, and so said relationship is unclear at the moment.

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

Whitewavemark2

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

I’ll send up some paracetamol for the morning.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

And if you read my posts, you will see that both relationships are linked.

Kali2

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

And if you read my posts, you will see that both relationships are linked.

Kali2 your post is about the U.K. / EU relationship your cut and paste does not mention NATO once.

Interesting discussion on BBC World News which came from Kiev at lunch-time today. I don't think there is a link to it as yet on the BBC website.

Whitewavemark2

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

Is it BYOB, Whitewave?

news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-moscow-accepts-uk-talks-invite-amid-fears-russian-invasion-is-imminent-12522361.

Kali2, I cannot for the life of me understand why you think that because we've left the EU that our relationship regarding our NATO membership has altered as it simply hasn't.These two organisations have nothing to do with each other as each country joins NATO as individuals not collectively, making it the case that each individual country decides for itself how it will react and what action to take. Tony Blair didn't have to get permission from the EU to invade Iraq. We co founded NATO in 1949 along with 11 other individual nations,11 has swollen to 30, some in the EU others not. Unlike 1940 when we were on our own in every sense of the phrase, we are no more on our own now than we were at the offset in 1949, as is borne out by our valued contribution to various recent exercises both on land and at sea in conjunction with other NATO countries. I assure you we are not on our own, the,US has sent massive arms contributions, Scandinavian countries are beefing up their defenses. Some EU countries are hamstrung by their reliance on Russian oil and gas supplies,but that doesn't affect our relationship with NATO which hasn't altered in 72 years and won't be any time soon.

Lincslass

news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-moscow-accepts-uk-talks-invite-amid-fears-russian-invasion-is-imminent-12522361.

Let’s hope Ben Wallace is successful.

I'm tee total but the sheer lunacy, and pigheaded intransigence in refusing to admit that they've gone completely OTT with completely inaccurate information, may just inspire me to get down to the offy and grab a bottle.

Enjoy. I am off to Cabaret and dinner with friends, with a good bottle.

Jaberwork- perhaps like Raab, geography is not your forte.

Jaberwok
Your probably as confused as I am to the reference to Geography. Can anyone help with that one. Answers on a postcard please ?

Jaberwok how's your head?

Maybe it’s a Swiss thing and we haven’t heard of it ?