Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think?

It is commonly accepted that Jews spoke with one voice about antisemitism in the LP. This is an account that shows they did not www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/among-charedim-jeremy-corbyn-s-defeat-is-not-being-celebrated-at-all-1.494545

I’ve never been a member of any political party and Keir Starmer would not inspire me to join the Labour Party. Mind you, I don’t think any politician will ever inspire me to join any political party.

Casdon I voted for Keir Starmer in the leadership election, of course I was supportive at first. I believed what he said to get elected . He has just been so dissapointing. More fool me I suppose.

Casdon

As I said, there’s no reasoning with some people.

Not a very nice comment. Why should people agree with you just because you think you can persuade them to agree with you. People are entitled to their own opinions.

You’re right of course maddyone. I wasn’t actually referring to not agreeing with me, but not acknowledging what lots of other posters have to say because it doesn’t fit with the left wing rhetoric, but I can see what you mean and I’m sorry, I didn’t phrase it well at all.

Some posters seem to have the idea that the more left wing have condemned Starmer from the start, the fact is that most were prepared to give him a chance to implement the necessary measures. Unfortunately he has consistently failed to deliver his promises. He said the LP was a broad church, it isn't any longer.

Who ever said thst all Jewish people spoke with one voice about any semitism?
Again, trying to simplify complex situations .

So what is it?
I grew up in a NE coalmining, ship building town and am a dyed-in- the wool socialist. As I grew up the LP managed to repair all those basic inequalities but never overcame the traditional class system, landowning system, which is the cause of most of the inequalities we see now.
ie the attitude of "we don't have to keep the laws that they do">

ps as for the antisemitism in the LP - as a newcomer to Jewdaism I've worked out (maybe wrongly?) that Jews will support the party who seem to like Israel. Zionist or not.
For the Orthodox - the party who allows shechita and the ability to have schools who have the freedom to plan their curricula avoiding issues which conflict with their religious principles.

I’ve got a long memory. This was August 2020, Starmer had been in the role less than 4 months.
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1283299-on-both-sides-of-the-pond-the-extreme-left-is-scuppering-their-own-cause?pg=8

Casdon

I’ve got a long memory. This was August 2020, Starmer had been in the role less than 4 months.
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1283299-on-both-sides-of-the-pond-the-extreme-left-is-scuppering-their-own-cause?pg=8

So I checked. Quite specific posts by me of the things I criticised in Starmer's behaviour. His attitude towards asylum seekers. And some general comments about what appeal he would have to the public. That still applies. He had shown no signs of dealing with the allegations of wrong doing in head office.
It wouldn't have taken a week to establish a proper investigation. He didn't do so. He did in July 2020 pay out a huge amount to those who acted against Labour's interests in the 2017 election.
It might only have been 4 months but his path was clearly marked.
It's interesting as well to look at his attitude to second jobs before he became leader. It's further evidence of his duplicity. Much like Boris he uses language to dodge the bullet, he wasn't in talks, he was in discussions- www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1518590/Keir-Starmer-squirming-confrontation-second-job-sleaze-row-Labour-party-Tory-Sky-news-vn

This paper may be of interest to those disputing LP membership numbers and also funds.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/explaining-the-pro-corbyn-surge-in-labours-membership/

Thank you Casdon appreciated.

I think Starmer is a principled man. He is essentially, I think, a good man. However he lacks the ‘go get’ attitude and charisma needed to persuade the electorate to vote for him. That’s just my opinion and I may very well be wrong. Obviously time will eventually tell.

Since when has a go get attitude and charisma being a criteria for being PM? Isn’t this a recent thing? I don’t remember people discussing if David Cameron had charisma. But I could be wrong.

Dare we hope that the reality of the ‘charismatic/entertaining/lovable bluffer’ Mr Johnson, can knock on the head the suggestion Keir Starmer is too boring to be PM

The week of Postponed Reports.

Even Martin Forde has lost track of what his inquiry is supposed to discover, I reckon.

Why else would his report – now around 18 months late – still be unfinished?

Originally intended to find out whether allegations in the leaked Labour Party report The work of the Labour Party’s Governance and Legal Unit in relation to antisemitism, 2014-2019 were accurate, Forde was (then? later?) ordered to find out who leaked it (by Labour leader Keir Starmer).

Later still, it was stated that most of the inquiry’s aims had been dropped and it would now focus merely on the “culture” of the Labour Party – whatever that means.

No wonder Mr Forde has just reported to Labour’s National Executive Committee that his report has been delayed yet again – and won’t be available, even in redacted form, in time for the January 25, 2022 NEC meeting:

The Equality and Human Rights Commission found that Labour was not institutionally anti-Semitic, in autumn 2020, it reported a factional, right-wing culture of delay in handling complaints, in order to cast false blame on the party leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

So the allegations in the leaked report have been proved by the EHRC. Haven’t they?

But that's not what Starmer wants to hear.

MayBee70

Since when has a go get attitude and charisma being a criteria for being PM? Isn’t this a recent thing? I don’t remember people discussing if David Cameron had charisma. But I could be wrong.

I think it started with Tony Blair MayBee. That’s when it started, he was presented as a man of the people. When Gordon Brown took over, he was swiftly dispensed with, he lacked the personality to carry it off. He may have been a good PM, who knows, he didn’t stay long. Cameron was chosen as he was seen as a Conservative Tony Blair. Good looking like Blair, and able to talk to the people. When he resigned there was no one really, hence Theresa May got the job, without even a vote. A hard worker with principals like Gordon Brown, but like him lacked the ability to appeal to the population. Then BJ, who said he’d get Brexit done. That’s the primary reason his government was elected but his ability to appeal to the population was the second reason. So in my opinion, it has become’a thing’ since Tony Blair, the man of the people.

KeirStarmer seizes control of Labour candidate selection. Members are no longer needed

The decision means Westminster will become an exclusive club for right-wing friends of Keir Starmer. He and his cronies will choose who gets to join the club with them.

Local constituency party members will have just one use: to campaign on behalf of the members of the Westminster club, who will enjoy all the rewards but do little of the work.

As someone else has already said, Labour is a movement, not a brand.

Most on NEC voted to give Jeremy the whip back but the few on the right and Starmer didn't.

Funny that as Starmer on video was praising Corbyn and then said the polices of 2017 and build on that.

Whatever.

Whatever

So they are in fact imposing the very policies that lost them many seats- Westminster central control. It is impossible to understand who they think they are going to appeal to. You could say Starmer is implementing (if not writing) the longest suicide note in history. The LP needs someone to step forward and return it to a democratic organisation before it is too late.

Who trisher ?

I quite like Lisa Nandy. There is Zarah Sultana but she doesn't have experience.

Both of the left wing

Lisa Nandy is good
I’m not impressed by Zarah Sultana