Nicola Sturgeon vows to start process of second independence referendum

Oh, we don't want to upset the Queen. That would just be awful!

The Queen who will still be Queen of Scots after independence, is that the Queen we're talking about?

I assume it was passed then.

I feel Scotland should have independence if the majority want it BUT apart from security the rest of us should let them finance their own countries policies and not have financial support from the government in Westminster as they don’t want to be part of the United Kingdom’s You can’t have it both ways

Jonlin1234

I feel Scotland should have independence if the majority want it BUT apart from security the rest of us should let them finance their own countries policies and not have financial support from the government in Westminster as they don’t want to be part of the United Kingdom’s You can’t have it both ways

Why on earth do you think we'd want your money?

Why on earth do you think you should fund our security?

Why on earth do you think we'd want it both ways?

What I don't understand about the people who either don't like us or think they are subsidising us wouldn't be just delighted to let us go and get out of their hair. Am I missing something or am I just too stupid, as well as too wee and too poor?

Jonlin1234 if you mean by 'security' the fact that we have a huge dump of nuclear weapons within a few miles of our biggest centre of population, you are very welcome to stop providing that kind of security for us! I have various reasons for supporting independence, but getting rid of nuclear weapons has always been Number One.

A wee quiz question to wind up this discussion. Over 60 countries, have gained independence from the UK. How many of those countries have begged to rejoin?

How many of them relied so heavily on direct funding? How many of them were part of our small islands?
You'll never wind up this discussion. Both sides feel so passionately about it.

We rely on funding from another country apparently. We'd never survive alone. Its for our own good, we're like little children who couldn't run a bath, let alone a country. Thank god for the rUK and their overwhelming generosity.

Aveline

How many of them relied so heavily on direct funding? How many of them were part of our small islands?
You'll never wind up this discussion. Both sides feel so passionately about it.

Bit like Brexit.

I would like the other 3 countries in the UK to have a referendum on wether WE want Scotland to stay in the UK.

That's original.

srn63

I would like the other 3 countries in the UK to have a referendum on wether WE want Scotland to stay in the UK.

Why didn't England just leave the UK, then the EU? That would have solved all the problems.

Aveline

How many of them relied so heavily on direct funding? How many of them were part of our small islands?
You'll never wind up this discussion. Both sides feel so passionately about it.

Juts the one. Ireland. How are they doing by the way?

Why didn't England just leave the UK, then the EU? That would have solved all the problems

With Wales too Petera?

Wales should have our own say about our future as well, we are not a region of England. I wouldn’t expect to have any vote in what the people of Scotland decide to do, and wish good luck to them whatever they decide - I’m sure they will still welcome us up for the rugby.

Urmstongran

^Why didn't England just leave the UK, then the EU? That would have solved all the problems^

With Wales too Petera?

What do you see as Wales' problems?

It’s just that we are relentlessly Labour in Wales Petera, we must be twp.

Casdon

Wales should have our own say about our future as well, we are not a region of England. I wouldn’t expect to have any vote in what the people of Scotland decide to do, and wish good luck to them whatever they decide - I’m sure they will still welcome us up for the rugby.

Wales could have chosen to go with England, to become independent, or to stay with Scotland/NI in an alternative rUK in the EU.

But the deeper point in this is the fact that when you propose this it brings people up short, and nothing could be more illustrative of the fact that this is not an equal partnership in "England's" mind.

You’re right Petera.

Geez it’s getting really nasty now. Here’s a thought.
Why don’t all 4 countries have their own referendum about staying as the UK or not, or more than one referendum if you don’t get the answer you want the first time, since that seems to be the new fashion.
This time, make voting in the referendum (or referendums or even referenda) compulsory so everyone shares the blame or the celebration and everyone would happily accept the outcome as a fair result.

We could each have one once in a generation, ie about every 8 years and just keep having them to take our minds off parties (apart from political parties), Covid or other viruses, world events etc.
If the results aren't what one side wants we could argue for years on forums like Gransnet and then have another one.

Does that sound like a plan, Mollygo?

Ps we could stagger them, ie one every two years to keep us interested.
There may never be a satisfactory result but at least there's nothing else to worry about, it will keep us happy and occupied.

UrmYou do understand the Lib Dems haven't even got enough MSP's to ensure they get a question at FM 's questions? So why would they be the ones (the three) to shape fiscal policy ? Swinson lost her WM seat because she was arrognat enough to believe living in Bath and flying up now and then would keep people happy . Not so,we quite like our MP's to know the area they represent ,we learned that when Churchill was MP in Dundee until they kicked him out .

This country has voted for SNP in increasing numbers for the past decade.I'm sure you dont understand why ,if you did you wouldn't vote Tory.
Anyone know or read Richard Murphy? Read his take on Scotlands finances ,it will open your eyes .We aint too poor ,you need to look south to find the poor est of the 4 nations .We'll be just fine .Scotland WILL flourish .

Ireland was in deep recession for decades after the split. Who would want that for a country they loved?
The division between the unionists and the separatists is unbridgeable. The SNP have only been able to make such a mess of key areas and to waste so much public money because the opposition is divided into three different parties. If they combined into a pro unionist vote in the event of another (God forbid) referendum they'd ensure Scotland remained as a part of the UK.