Boris and his lockdown birthday party

Today I was told by a Johnson supporter that it was ridiculous that adult people were making such a fuss about parties.

In some ways I quite like this old chap, but I think his habit of reading the Daily Express has addled his brain.

I turned the conversation to the subject of HM the Queen, and the sad photo of her alone at her husband's funeral, because she was setting an example to us all by being a stickler for the rules.

He is an ardent royalist, as a lot of these right wing voters are, and he had no way of challenging that.

Josieann

It's going from bad to worse!

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GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

In the meantime there are many other extremely important things that this Government should be addressing.

Well, that's just hard luck on a country running the FPTP system which managed to return them such an appalling human being for PM.

But, there's a great deal more goes on in Parliament than the 30 minute theatre known as PMQs once a week. So it's unfair to continue to believe that the government aren't addressing anything but partygate.

Debate on the Ukraine situation in parliament yesterday. I did post a link on the PMs thread.

The majority of posters on GN are only appearing to be concerned with either partygate or curtaingate Along with when will the PM resign.

As for its unfair to continue to believe the government aren’t addressing anything but partygate

This is demonstrated by the multiple N &
P threads with the same posters making the same points as lover and over and over…

The scandalous behaviour of a PM is actually a rather important issue, GG13.

But you're complaining that the government aren't addressing things; Gnet is irrelevant to that. Have a look at the parliamentary programme, check out debates on Hansard. They are doing some business.

I turned the conversation to the subject of HM the Queen, and the sad photo of her alone at her husband's funeral, because she was setting an example to us all by being a stickler for the rules.

I'm not an ardent royalist - not even a royalist - but found that photo' quite poignant. An old lady, sitting alone at a time when she probably would have appreciated family around her - hit a nerve. She obeyed the rules, her government didn't.

MaizieD

According to polling 68% of the British public say that they didn't break the 'rules'.

Polls don’t always reflect the truth of a situation. As we all know. I rarely credit them - they are wrong so often. People like to give the right answer when asked a question.

When Boris was Foreign Secretary he managed to ensure Nazanin Radcliffe got extra jail time by his injudicious remarks. This man is a liability on so many levels.

There - that's not a comment about partying.

Oh for goodness sake.

Is it a Gransnet rule I've missed?

Try to pretend that every poll, survey and report is flawed and based on lies.

Does anyone really care what he did over a year ago .Surely there are more important things people should be worrying about. I live in a city and every day there were reports of people flouting the guidelines so what and a Cabinet government meeting does not that warrant more than 2 people getting together

Well, we know that! I wonder what Josephine thinks of his behaviour? I imagine they have kept copies of these letters, they will be an interesting part of the Pandemic story

catta5

Does anyone really care what he did over a year ago .Surely there are more important things people should be worrying about. I live in a city and every day there were reports of people flouting the guidelines so what and a Cabinet government meeting does not that warrant more than 2 people getting together

Catta5, ‘so what’ is your response to reports of people flouting the guidelines on a daily basis.
No wonder you don’t care about a lying PM who broke his own laws and guidelines.
I live in a town where every day there are reports of drug dealing - so what?

It isn’t about just that. It’s about having someone running the country that doesn’t think that the law of the land applies to him. And the parties are just the latest in a long line of misdemeanours by this PM. Attempting to prorogue parliament, Jennifer Arcuri, Owen Paterson etc etc

catta5

Does anyone really care what he did over a year ago .Surely there are more important things people should be worrying about. I live in a city and every day there were reports of people flouting the guidelines so what and a Cabinet government meeting does not that warrant more than 2 people getting together

Yes - many of us do - this is not about parties, this is about his deceit, lies, and illegal actions.

Johnson wants us all to ignore the fraud that he and his chancellor appeared to have forgotten about,
- or the PPE that was unfit for use in the early days,
- or imposing restrictions when it was too late,
- a failed test & trace system that is costing us £billions,
- the open borders with new variants allowed to spread,
- and offloading patients with Covid from hospitals to care homes,
- illegally attempting to prorogue parliament,
- announcing that the Irish Border deal that he signed would be broken in a specific and limited way.

Oh no, this is not something that we should forget - along with 170,000 deaths, with many of those resulting from this government's actions or inactions.
They then choose to say that they "got the big decisions right" - nobody believes that story anymore, and you can't paper those cracks over with vaccine, vaccine, rah, rah, rah.

Does anyone really care what he did over a year ago .

68% of the British do.

Have you never heard of learning lessons from history?

Or do you think it's a really good idea to keep this appallingly bad PM in post because 'he did it a year ago'?

MaizieD the Government may well be doing other business but without doing one’s own searches the general public along with the media (and some on GN) are not discussing this, hence the obsession with partygate

I actually think the PM should go now, and it wasn’t just his get Brexit done sound bite and that gave him a 80 seat majority it was because the alternative was unthinkable.

His previous form was well known.

Alegrias1

Oh for goodness sake.

Is it a Gransnet rule I've missed?

Try to pretend that every poll, survey and report is flawed and based on lies.

Maybe it justifies people's own flouting of the rules, if they persuade themselves that "everybody else did it".

When I refer to fraud - I obviously mean the fraudulent claims for 'bounce back loans' - I do not imply fraud on the part of either Johnson or Sunak.

varian

Today I was told by a Johnson supporter that it was ridiculous that adult people were making such a fuss about parties.

In some ways I quite like this old chap, but I think his habit of reading the Daily Express has addled his brain.

I turned the conversation to the subject of HM the Queen, and the sad photo of her alone at her husband's funeral, because she was setting an example to us all by being a stickler for the rules.

He is an ardent royalist, as a lot of these right wing voters are, and he had no way of challenging that.

Really nasty about an elderly man, who possibly doesn’t read the whatever paper you seem to think “right wingers” do read. Who is also not able to defend himself, unless you said this too his face, which I bet you didn’t. Shall we assume all left wingers read the Daily Mirror, as they are not intelligent enough to read the Guardian.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD the Government may well be doing other business but without doing one’s own searches the general public along with the media (and some on GN) are not discussing this, hence the obsession with partygate

I actually think the PM should go now, and it wasn’t just his get Brexit done sound bite and that gave him a 80 seat majority it was because the alternative was unthinkable.

His previous form was well known.

It depends which media sources you use. I've certainly been following other stories and I know from their comments that other people are.

GG13 - because the alternative was unthinkable. ??

Most of the Johnson plans are actually recycled from Corbyn's manifesto and policies - so I'm guessing the current plans must be "unthinkable" as well.

Lincslass

varian

Today I was told by a Johnson supporter that it was ridiculous that adult people were making such a fuss about parties.

In some ways I quite like this old chap, but I think his habit of reading the Daily Express has addled his brain.

I turned the conversation to the subject of HM the Queen, and the sad photo of her alone at her husband's funeral, because she was setting an example to us all by being a stickler for the rules.

He is an ardent royalist, as a lot of these right wing voters are, and he had no way of challenging that.

Really nasty about an elderly man, who possibly doesn’t read the whatever paper you seem to think “right wingers” do read. Who is also not able to defend himself, unless you said this too his face, which I bet you didn’t. Shall we assume all left wingers read the Daily Mirror, as they are not intelligent enough to read the Guardian.

But probably true that quite a few people think too much fuss is being made - even on GN.

Incidentally, I thought lefties did read the Guardian.

There is one Conservative led council in Wales. Local Government elections are in May. The very competent Council leader was interviewed on BBC Wales tonight and he said the council members had been out canvassing recently, and the mood on the doorstep was very clear, people were angry and said that Boris had to go. Is that a poll?

MaizieD the Government may well be doing other business but without doing one’s own searches the general public along with the media (and some on GN) are not discussing this, hence the obsession with partygate

But you're the person complaining about the government. I quote:

In the meantime there are many other extremely important things that this Government should be addressing.

You said that. I posted you a link to show that they *are *actually discussing important things.

Why are you expecting Gnetters to get all the information for you? We're not the government. We're just a load of opinionated (and some very angry) older people.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD the Government may well be doing other business but without doing one’s own searches the general public along with the media (and some on GN) are not discussing this, hence the obsession with partygate

I actually think the PM should go now, and it wasn’t just his get Brexit done sound bite and that gave him a 80 seat majority it was because the alternative was unthinkable.

His previous form was well known.

Yet 42% of those that voted in the 2019 General Election ignored his previous form









Yet a substantial minority - 42% of those who voted in the 2019 election ignored his previous form and voted for this known liar, and under the appallingly undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system he was awarded with an eighty seat majority, giving him license to do whatever he liked for the next five years

How can anyone call this democracy?

railman

GG13 - because the alternative was unthinkable. ??

Most of the Johnson plans are actually recycled from Corbyn's manifesto and policies - so I'm guessing the current plans must be "unthinkable" as well.

Er? I don't think Corbyn had plans to clamp down on protest, undermine the judiciary, refuse to help people drowning or increase tax (via NICs) for the poorest, stop funding the BBC or sell off the NHS.

the mood on the doorstep was very clear, people were angry and said that Boris had to go.

What? Nothing about Ukraine or TV licences?