Legacy of the fraudulent referendum

Goodness there are a lot of Eeyores on this thread. ?

He’s only making announcements like this because people are finally starting to ask what happened to the promised 350 million. And why NI is going up to pay for the NHS.

Oh and brexit promised reducing VAT on fuel…..

And we were promised lower food prices...
and protecting the fishing industry
and a boom for farmers
and taking control of our borders
and no border in the Irish sea...

its all going so well haha

never mind we've got rid of those EU regulations on clean waterways and bee killing pesticides...

Urmstongran

No matter really whether you rate Suella or not. This is going to be a cross party consultation. The ‘ernest’ Keir Starmer will have input. That should reassure the doubters.

Do you have a source that this is a cross-party consultation? The only information I can find is that a bill is about to be introduced. Braverman is acting as spokesperson - and, yes, it does matter whether people rate her.

My biggest problem is in believing anything the liar in chief says. So far, as Coolcoco said, the only regulations that have been lifted are those preventing farmers from using pesticides to kill bees and water companies to flood the waterways with sh*t. Loving it so far. So, what next? Getting rid of the pesky EU safety mark presumably so that we know we are buying safe toys, electrical equipment? Blue flag marks for beaches?

Suella Braverman is a party stooge. By a miraculous coincidence, she took silk, ie became a QC on the very same day that she was appointed Attorney General. Previously chair of the ERG who argued that it was time to 'take control of the judiciary'. Fills me with confidence.

No, I don’t think sensible safety guidelines will be trashed. But too much red tape that isn’t applicable to our UK needs? Yes. I think that’s sensible.

What kind of red tape would you like to see trashed?

Apologies growstuff I made an error. It wasn’t cross-party but cross-government.

“We are also conducting a major cross-government drive to review and reform this inherited law more quickly”

Swathes of stuff probably Gill57 that isn’t necessary. I’m not a government official. That question is above my pay grade so I rely on ‘those who know’ and get well paid for it to determine what can be scrapped.

I am just curious as to which regulations and red tape have made your life difficult Urmonstongran, which ones you would like to see removed. Not being argumentative, just curious. Do remember that a lot of so called health and safety regulation isn't so, in fact there is a great website called www.hse.gov.uk>myth.

Blue flag beaches, don't get me started. For years we lived near a blue flag beach in Brittany where every weekend dogs of all varieties would be produced out of beach bags, and charcoal barbecues would be set up without anyone raising an eyebrow. Back in Devon 2021 during lockdown when the place was empty, no visitors, I wasn't allowed to take the dogs on our blue flag beach. That's what annoys me about regulations. Other countries have them, but they don't abide by them like we are expected to. We are often laughed at in this respect.

Translation .... the little girl is saying to her dog, " I told you so, we should have stayed in Brittany" - where no one obeys the rules. And this is a poster put out by Brittany tourism!

"The Daily Express leads the cheer for what they describe as a

“£1BN mega-Brexit bonfire TODAY - hated EU red tape to be annihilated”

( And hasn’t the Express found a photo of Johnson looking particularly pleased with himself to mark the event. )

Quick question before I go out and join the celebration.

How does the estimated annihilation of £1 billion in red tape, that hasn’t happen yet been delivered, compare to the estimated £ 7.5 billion in additional customs - red tape - paperwork costs for British businesses?"

Marc Carter
brexitactually.quora.com/?__nsrc__=4&__snid3__=32081465256

Dogs don't have to be banned from a beach in order for it to have a Blue Flag award, their access has to be strictly controlled. And the Blue Flag is nothing to do with the EU it's operated by an organisation based in Denmark www.blueflag.global/our-programme
It seemsto me to be an admirable organisation.

I am amazed that those who voted leave continue to think this particular cabinet and brexit is still the wonderful stuff of which their lies were made. It must be the rose-coloured glasses they wear, though it's probably down to the size of their amygdalas!

Cummings was charged with getting the electorate to vote leave. I think he is the type of person who will, once given a goal to reach, do his utmost to achieve it. Emotions and fears were targeted but in reality no valuable benefits can be shown.

Both sides have said they voted the way they did for the sake of their children and grandchildren.

I recall Urmstongran saying it could take about 40 years to be sorted out and she was happy with that. But in 40 years we will be dead, our children will be pensioners and our grandchildren middle-aged.

Our children and grandchildren (especially those who were older but not of voting age in 2016) are left with a UK they didn't want. This government and those who voted it in have utterly trashed any standing we had in the world and yet are still under the illusion everything is fine.

Sue Grey's report just out will be interesting, should we ever get to read the full transcript.

Its not just people in Brittany who take dogs onto no dogs beaches - Ive seen plenty in the UK too, plus the amount of litter and disgusting sewage in the sea - the idea that we all obey the rules - they don't- is the stuff of Brexit lies.

This article is more than two years old but is still so true.

"Brexit, the most pointless, masochistic ambition in our country's history, is done"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-ambition-history-done

Urmstongran

Swathes of stuff probably Gill57 that isn’t necessary. I’m not a government official. That question is above my pay grade so I rely on ‘those who know’ and get well paid for it to determine what can be scrapped.

How can you possibly know what needs to be scrapped if you haven't the faintest notion of what exists? And what makes you so sure that safety guidelines won't be scrapped?

I could say more about the idiocy of voting for something that you don't have a clue about...

Urmstongran

Apologies growstuff I made an error. It wasn’t cross-party but cross-government.

“We are also conducting a major cross-government drive to review and reform this inherited law more quickly”

So a Tory shake up of its own systems?

Led by pro-small state, libertarian fanatics, who couldn't give a stuff about the rights of the people!

How on earth can you have misunderstood that?

How on earth can you have misunderstood that?

Probably above her paygrade, growstuff

If Brexit was never deliverable, why did Parliament overwhelmingly vote for the Referendum? If there was a confidence trick, it began there.

If Brexit was never deliverable, why were we given assurances in 1975 that if we wanted to leave the EU, we could simply repeal the treaty and leave?

What a low opinion those so fervently in favour of the unpopular 'ever closer union' must have of the majority of people in the UK that we could have been hoodwinked in 2016? Perhaps because over 40 years, we were hoodwinked by our own Parliament into giving up the sovereignty of our Parliament to gain a degree of influence within the 'ever-closer union'?

By the way, my last comment reflects the argument made by Edward Heath in 1975 explaining to Michael Foot why sovereignty should not be sacrosanct but used to gain influence. It remains the nub of the argument. On that one, I am still with Michael Foot.

What a low opinion those so fervently in favour of the unpopular 'ever closer union' must have of the majority of people in the UK that we could have been hoodwinked in 2016

I'm saying nothing....

BTW - majority of people who voted, not the same as the majority of people in the UK.

The majority of people in the UK were not hoodwinked by the brexit liars - only 17m out of a population of 67m voted for this insanity.

The lies, cheating and foreign interference, combined with the power of the tax exile billionaires who control the rightwing press, managed to hoodwink just enough people on that one day.

It was outrageous that such a far reaching constitutional change could be made on the whim of a tiny number of voters and pushed through by an undemocratically elected government party which most voters voted against.

The damage to our country, to the futures of our children and grandchildren is incalcuable.

Cunco

If Brexit was never deliverable, why did Parliament overwhelmingly vote for the Referendum? If there was a confidence trick, it began there.

If Brexit was never deliverable, why were we given assurances in 1975 that if we wanted to leave the EU, we could simply repeal the treaty and leave?

What a low opinion those so fervently in favour of the unpopular 'ever closer union' must have of the majority of people in the UK that we could have been hoodwinked in 2016? Perhaps because over 40 years, we were hoodwinked by our own Parliament into giving up the sovereignty of our Parliament to gain a degree of influence within the 'ever-closer union'?

By the way, my last comment reflects the argument made by Edward Heath in 1975 explaining to Michael Foot why sovereignty should not be sacrosanct but used to gain influence. It remains the nub of the argument. On that one, I am still with Michael Foot.

At what point did we give up sovereignty of out own parliament?