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Whitewavemark2 Mon 31-Jan-22 12:50:53

Terms of reference.

t.co/e7jc9PUuJz

Worth reading before making assumptions etc about the report.

Coastpath Wed 02-Feb-22 10:18:18

'Bonfire of EU rules' = Brits now can work the longest hours in Europe, eventually reaching the highest retirement age in Europe. Afterwards, they can bask in one of the lowest state pension rates in Europe.

Summerfly Wed 02-Feb-22 14:24:27

MUMMER
As I have already stated my political views, why be so rude? I agree wholeheartedly that Johnson and his cronies need to be shown the door.
The point I was trying to make is there are problems facing us all in the world today, that by far outweigh what has happened inside Downing Street.

Sue450 Wed 02-Feb-22 15:43:50

Watered down, wish he would go away awful man and his hangers on.

Boz Wed 02-Feb-22 16:19:22

Alegrias1

StoneofDestiny

I’ve just watched the cringeworthy interview Nadine Dorries gave yesterday afternoon. I actually felt embarrassed for the foolish woman. She’s completely out of her depth and shouldn’t be allowed in front of a camera
www.channel4.com/news/the-prime-minister-tells-the-truth-says-nadine-dorries

Totally cringeworthy interview

From Matthew Stadlen, Channel 5 presenter:

We are the country of Shakespeare, Keats, Wordsworth, Chaucer, Constable, Turner, Hardy, Austen, Dickens, Orwell, the Brontës, Tolkien, Woolf, Ishiguro, McEwan, Lessing, Eliot, The Beatles, Milton, Dench and Bassey. How did we end up with Nadine Dorries as Culture Secretary?

Brilliant.

We are in this state because the cabinet is full of hand-chosen Brexiteers to fulfil the referendum, despite being awful politicians.

Allsorts Wed 02-Feb-22 16:27:46

Agree Summerlove. Let Boris and government sort out the big problems, like the threat of war by Russia, if they advance it effects us, it’s just getting ridiculous now. Hope he doesn’t cave in, not because he didn’t do anything wrong but not enough to resign over. Everyone is saying for goodness sake put it to bed.

MaizieD Wed 02-Feb-22 16:34:21

The point I was trying to make is there are problems facing us all in the world today, that by far outweigh what has happened inside Downing Street.

Unfortunately, Summerfly, those problems all require a serious, decent, competent government to sort them out, which, very sadly, is the very last way that our government could be described.

Even more sadly, Johnson going won't solve any of the problems because what succeeds him will be just as bad as Johnson, just in different ways, because there is no-one serious, decent or competent who is likely to succeed him.

Summerfly Wed 02-Feb-22 16:57:03

ALLSORTS… Thank you

MazieD Yes, that’s the problem.

Oldnproud Wed 02-Feb-22 18:02:23

I struggle to imagine a worse MP than Boris to be in charge when there are such important issues to be dealt with!

varian Wed 02-Feb-22 18:14:10

Allsorts

Agree Summerlove. Let Boris and government sort out the big problems, like the threat of war by Russia, if they advance it effects us, it’s just getting ridiculous now. Hope he doesn’t cave in, not because he didn’t do anything wrong but not enough to resign over. Everyone is saying for goodness sake put it to bed.

"everyone is saying that Allsorts?

Today I was in the company of lifelong Conservative voters and they were saying "He's got to go"

Urmstongran Wed 02-Feb-22 18:29:51

BREAKING NEWS:
Sir Mark Sedwill said to have sanctioned a gathering in June 2020 to mark the departure of a private secretary

Perhaps Theresa May will criticise her favourite civil servant, Sedwill, in the same way she did Boris? No, thought not.

varian Wed 02-Feb-22 18:31:36

It doesn't matter who sanctioned these parties.

They should not have happened.

Coastpath Wed 02-Feb-22 18:37:12

I think Teresa May seems to have taken Coronavirus and the laws and rules surrounding the virus extremely seriously. Often one of very few Tories wearing masks for example.

I am sure she will be equally critical of anyone breaking the rules and putting others at risk.

Casdon Wed 02-Feb-22 18:43:43

You’ve missed the point Urmstongran. Most of the electorate have never heard of Sedwill, and will trust that the necessary disciplinary action will be taken for any wrongdoing by his minister. Er - and who is the minister in charge of the government - oh yes, it is Boris. It must be hard for you when Teresa May acts honourably and the public agree with her because everybody knows this would never have happened under her watch.

Urmstongran Wed 02-Feb-22 19:03:31

I know that. She’d have been in bed every night with a mug of Horlicks. A safe pair of hands during the pandemic. Good for her too. She’d have taken this very seriously.

But popular with the electorate? Nope.

And what about Keir Starmer with Jimmy Savile? Did the COS buck stop with him then? It was on his watch it seems.

MayBee70 Wed 02-Feb-22 19:10:04

Coastpath

I think Teresa May seems to have taken Coronavirus and the laws and rules surrounding the virus extremely seriously. Often one of very few Tories wearing masks for example.

I am sure she will be equally critical of anyone breaking the rules and putting others at risk.

She is diabetic and has had to take it seriously. As is the Speaker so it surprises me that he doesn’t ask people to wear masks in parliament. Or that fellow MP’s (mainly Conservative I might add) don’t go out of their way to protect their colleagues.

growstuff Wed 02-Feb-22 19:26:51

Urmstongran

I know that. She’d have been in bed every night with a mug of Horlicks. A safe pair of hands during the pandemic. Good for her too. She’d have taken this very seriously.

But popular with the electorate? Nope.

And what about Keir Starmer with Jimmy Savile? Did the COS buck stop with him then? It was on his watch it seems.

Why are you perpetuating a right-wing myth?

growstuff Wed 02-Feb-22 19:27:45

Urmstongran

BREAKING NEWS:
Sir Mark Sedwill said to have sanctioned a gathering in June 2020 to mark the departure of a private secretary

Perhaps Theresa May will criticise her favourite civil servant, Sedwill, in the same way she did Boris? No, thought not.

Did anybody tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

growstuff Wed 02-Feb-22 19:28:38

Allsorts

Agree Summerlove. Let Boris and government sort out the big problems, like the threat of war by Russia, if they advance it effects us, it’s just getting ridiculous now. Hope he doesn’t cave in, not because he didn’t do anything wrong but not enough to resign over. Everyone is saying for goodness sake put it to bed.

No, everyone is not saying that.

varian Wed 02-Feb-22 19:29:49

I don't particularly like Theresa May. She was a lukewarm Remainer who turned to brexit when she thought it expedient.

In spite of that I do believe that she is an honourable person, who does know right from wrong.

Can anyone ever imagine her behaving like Johnson? - cheating on her husband, groping young journalists and moving her latest lover into number ten?

If she had behaved like that it would have created a political earthquake.

So how come Boris Johnson just gets away with it???

CvD66 Wed 02-Feb-22 19:36:20

urmstongran sorry to see you fall for the far right slurs on Starmer!Perhaps you should read what the BBC reported today:
'In 2012, Sir Keir commissioned a report from Alison Levitt QC into why Savile was not prosecuted. In three cases investigated by Surrey Police, no prosecutions were brought on the basis that none of the victims was prepared to give evidence in court.
Nafir Azal (Head of CPS NW at the relevant time) "None of that would have been escalated beyond the south-east and Keir wasn't aware of it." At that time we were dealing [with] 900,000 prosecutions a year," he added. Sir Keir said when the report was published: "I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases. If this report and my apology are to serve their full purpose, then this must be seen as a watershed moment."

Iam64 Wed 02-Feb-22 19:55:00

Thanks CvD66
It’s shocking that Johnson sank to the low of perpetuating the far right slur on Starmer.

MayBee70 Wed 02-Feb-22 21:01:15

Urmstongran

I know that. She’d have been in bed every night with a mug of Horlicks. A safe pair of hands during the pandemic. Good for her too. She’d have taken this very seriously.

But popular with the electorate? Nope.

And what about Keir Starmer with Jimmy Savile? Did the COS buck stop with him then? It was on his watch it seems.

This is why Johnson said what he did. Dug up a lie that he knew to be a lie so that people that had never hard the lie thought oh, no smoke without fire and believed it. Behind his blustery clown like behaviour is a very chilling calculating person who is far more dangerous than many people realise.

Coastpath Wed 02-Feb-22 21:23:41

Jacob Rees-Mogg was besides himself when Boris Johnson said it, pointing a finger at Keir Starmer and gurning a gleeful smile. He must have known it was a lie, so what was going through the haunted pencil's head?

Was he just glad to see the other man put down, or was he revelling in Johnson stirring up the lie. I can't think of a good reason for his response.

Lucca Wed 02-Feb-22 21:35:34

Revolting supercilious man that he is.

Lucca Wed 02-Feb-22 21:36:15

CvD66

urmstongran sorry to see you fall for the far right slurs on Starmer!Perhaps you should read what the BBC reported today:
'In 2012, Sir Keir commissioned a report from Alison Levitt QC into why Savile was not prosecuted. In three cases investigated by Surrey Police, no prosecutions were brought on the basis that none of the victims was prepared to give evidence in court.
Nafir Azal (Head of CPS NW at the relevant time) "None of that would have been escalated beyond the south-east and Keir wasn't aware of it." At that time we were dealing [with] 900,000 prosecutions a year," he added. Sir Keir said when the report was published: "I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases. If this report and my apology are to serve their full purpose, then this must be seen as a watershed moment."

Let’s hope UG reads that…. Not holding breath