Furious with the Tories...

Yes well said Dickens. You expressed my feelings more eloquently and politely than I would have been able to. I get exasperated by ignorant and sweeping assumptions that those of us repelled by Johnson's lies and behaviour are automatically supporters of Corbyn and/or Blair.

GillT57

Yes well said Dickens. You expressed my feelings more eloquently and politely than I would have been able to. I get exasperated by ignorant and sweeping assumptions that those of us repelled by Johnson's lies and behaviour are automatically supporters of Corbyn and/or Blair.

Conversely, of course, not all Tory supporters are pro Johnson. They see him as a gaffe-prone, over-ambitious, manipulative individual with no integrity, a man who is damaging the reputation of their party.

As the Left is not a homogenous group - I really don't understand why people assume that any criticism of Johnson is axiomatic with being a Corbynite. I liked some of his manifesto pledges - I mean, can you really argue with "for the many not the few" in principle? And I thought his treatment at the hands of the right wing media was absolutely appalling, and those who complain that the Left will use any means to get rid of 'Boris' should step back and look at the methods used to discredit Corbyn. But for various reasons, I did not vote for him.

I am absolutely in favour of getting rid of Johnson, by any means - but not 'foul' means. And I believe 'partygate' is important, as is the previous 'sleaze' within the party - not so much because these things happened, but because of the way the allegations were handled by Johnson and his party. Their dismissive attitude towards breaches of the ministerial code, the way they told us to "move on" etc. Johnson did listen to the electorate afterwards (as he said he had) and decided that the best way to deal with the situation was to sling mud at his opponents... a good dose of "whataboutery". The allegations against Starmer - I bet he would never make them outside of the 'parliamentary privilege' that allows him to speculate. He knows damned well he can get away with it due to the protection this privilege offers. This is the man who dismissed the efforts to investigate historical child abuse by the police as a "waste" of money which would be "spaffed up against the wall". That's how much he cares about the victims of such abuse. IMO he is beneath contempt and I don't feel the need to apologise for wanting him gone.

TBH, I don't much care about the broken pledge on the triple-lock, on a personal level - didn't believe it anyway. But it will matter to millions of pensioners who are reliant on it.

I agree Dickens, I know many Tory voters who are disgusted by what is going on, and are probably even more affected by it than I am because they believe in Tory principles, something which Johnson and his cohorts, especially Sunak, have shown they do not. Not all Tories as ERG, not all Labour are Corbynites.

You can add me to the disgusted Tory supporters Gill.

And me. Never again will I vote for them but who else to vote for?

I'll continue to vote for them if Johnson is replaced by someone with integrity.

Why on earth would anyone vote for a corrupt and incompetent party, whoever they chose as leader?

Why on earth would anyone vote for a corrupt and incompetent party, whoever they chose as leader?

Because the party is more than their leader. Don't we all vote on the basis of basic beliefs? If the current leader is useless like Johnson, the only options are to vote for another party - which may have beliefs contary to ours - or don't vote. Another reason for a PR system.

I'm no Tory btw, but I have some sympathy with those who are, even though they must have known what they were getting.

I don’t trust politicians of any colour ?

I look at this way, if there is a punch up in Eastern Europe, Partygate is going to look like a storm in a tea cup ?

We have a GE come 2024, now that is going to be interesting

But the rest of them aren’t brilliant, either! Nadine Dorries is an embarrassment, she needs to be kept well away from interviews, she’s either drunk or on drugs, swaying about, spouting nonsense! I don’t trust Rishi Sunak either. Michael Gove is untrustworthy and useless. Who is there who would make a good honest replacement for Boris?

Is it true JRM has put his letter in- or is it a 'joke' on the internet.

Kali2

Is it true JRM has put his letter in- or is it a 'joke' on the internet.

'Jacob Rees Mogg has put his letter in to the 1822 Committee'

Joke, I think Kali2 ?

Seems to be getting some stick for the revived story about the fact that, as an anti-abortion RC, he has investments in a company that produces the 'morning after' pill.

Luckylegs

But the rest of them aren’t brilliant, either! Nadine Dorries is an embarrassment, she needs to be kept well away from interviews, she’s either drunk or on drugs, swaying about, spouting nonsense! I don’t trust Rishi Sunak either. Michael Gove is untrustworthy and useless. Who is there who would make a good honest replacement for Boris?

A different party perhaps?