So much for a world beating Animal Welfare Bill

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m a Conservative voter but don’t defend this.

For the record, I don't either

It's very disappointing

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m a Conservative voter but don’t defend this.

Absolutely, I have never eaten fois gras, and will not have it in the house.

If we have been to a restaurant and it’s on the menu GrandpaGravy is afforded my Paddington Bear hard stare as are anyone we are dining with. It has always worked!

Same here GG. My husband would eat it and so would my son but not on my watch. My death stare has been honed over many decades.

So disappointed with this. A lot of restaurants here serve Foie Gras and I never ever eat it. In fact I never go to a restaurant that has foie gras on the menu. As for fur- this is despicable.

Choice Rees-Mogg!?! What choice have the animals got.

I thought another leave campaign promise was that we could improve animal welfare if we left the EU? Along with taking VAT off fuel? And Rees Mogg is surely in the ERG and would know this?

Callistemon21

vegansrock

PETA produced a fake bearskin that was indistinguishable from the real thing but the MoD turned it down., in fact they lobbied for an exemption from regulations banning importation of animal trophies .

The bears are culled anyway.

Perhaps it is the Canadian Government which should be petitioned to stop the culling?

Apparently the bears are shot when they wander onto peoples' gardens. The pelts are then sold at auction which is were they are bought to be made into bearskins.

If you want to stop foie gras farming then don't eat imported duck or tinned confit de canard or indeed any other tinned duck products.

Urmstongran

^I'm not generally a Tory supporter, think Boris should go, voted Remain too but I really am astonished at this thread!^
All these years and no staunch EU supporters on here have mentioned these abominable practices taken for granted in Europe.

I’m not Calli it’s par for the course click bait.

actually Urm, further control over animal welfare rights was one of the factors you quoted as being an advantage of leaving the EU, and one of the only things we agreed on as being worthy. There was supposed to be a ban on exporting live animals too, anyone know what has happened to that?

That’s the Canadian excuse. Let someone else buy the fur - we don’t have to. There are animal rights groups in Canada against killing wildlife including bears.

Callistemon
Thank you for mentioning that awful situation. That really is the EUs dirty little secret. But not so secret as it can be seen from outer space ?

Grantanow
It’s worse in Italy ?

Why point the finger at others - I have donated and campaigned against animal cruelty for years - it goes on right here - too much whataboutery. Some EU countries do have higher welfare standards than others, that’s not what this argument is about.

Exactly, one more betrayal.

As for the bears in Canada and USA- more and more châlets, holiday and permanent homes have been built in mountain areas, very close of even in National Parks. So it is mostly NOT the bears trespassing on human territory- but very much the other way round.

Same for badgers and other wild species with very marked territories in the UK.

We have good friends who have a Lodge in Colorado- and they totally agree that they are the trespassers, not the other way round. Their Malamute dogs are very good at bear warning.

Callistemon21

Shinamae

Shameful and disgusting but hardly surprising with this bloody government..?

Shinamae

What about all the preceding Governments which allowed the import of about 200 tonnes of foie gras every year?
Did anyone worry about it then, when we were EU members?

Did anyone protest about mink farms in Denmark?

No, thought not!

You have a very short memory. This has always been condemned by those of us who are pro-EU and animal welfare.

To suggest otherwise is not true.

Austria and the Netherlands have higher standards , not perfection as no country could claim that, despite what some on here think different countries in the EU have different standards, the U.K. isn’t some paragon of virtue and I’m angry the government are ignoring this opportunity to improve.

There is now a cruelty free foie gras, so some farmers are gradually changing their practices due to campaigning within France. Why couldn’t we just allow those ones to be imported?

I’m not sure how cruelty free it could be given that production depends on the animals getting fatty livers. Even if they’re not force fed, admittedly the most obnoxious part, surely it’s still cruel.

Callistemon the EU consists of 27 sovereign nations,all making their own rules and laws just like the UK did.The EU is only responsible for around 5% of laws passed in the UK .
Watch the good ones disappear fast while the tories sink to their natural vile roots where neither people nor animals are worth anything except their market value

Does that nasty comment apply also to Conservative voters Paddy?

Johnson’s nod to a small state is his effort at pacifying the right of his party. Rees Mogg as the new Brexit opportunities minister, is charged with getting rid of regulation and he seems to be beginning with Animal Welfare.

Someone is being conned and I think it is those who voted for a new Britain, where we were promised world class regulations that would outshine those that had been “imposed” by the EU.

I wonder who invented foie gras. Such a disgusting thing to do to a defenceless creature.

Not sure I understand, paddyann

UK animal welfare laws have always been of a higher standard than those in many EU countries.

The aim was to make them even better now but that doesn't seem to be happening.
It doesnt mean they'll be worse than these other countries, they will still be better and more stringent.

Shandy57

I wonder who invented foie gras. Such a disgusting thing to do to a defenceless creature.

It must go back a long way Shandy because it is in French books in 17th century.

Germanshepherdsmum

Does that nasty comment apply also to Conservative voters Paddy?

I assume not, as many Tory voters have said they are disgusted by this reversal of a promise. Most of us understand that by voting for a particular party it does not mean that you slavishly support everything they do or say. There are many examples of Tory MPs who have made their moral beliefs more important than party and have paid the price, this applies to all political parties. There are also many hundreds and thousands of decent, kind Tory voters who are stunned at finding their party led by the liar in no10..

Even worse then if they've been suffering for centuries, I wish someone somewhere could stop it. I was horrified to get a pot of it in a hamper from my MIL years ago, she always managed to get at me one way or another!

The UK has dropped from an A to a B grade in animal welfare - still higher than nearly all EU countries.
Shockingly, not one country has obtained an ‘A’ grade. The United Kingdom is rated highest along with Sweden and Austria all achieving a ‘B’ score. However, there is room for improvement in these countries too.

Failing to implement this means that we won't regain A grade when we could have shown other countries the way forward.

www.worldanimalprotection.org.uk/news/animal-welfare-matters-see-how-countries-treat-animals

Low standards in animal welfare around the world means the real possibility of more disease being passed to humans, eg Covid.

Apologies folks just seen my iPhone has turned foie into fois oops!!!!