Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

Sorry Zelensky of course. I’m going to shout his name ZELENSKY. My god he deserves it. We could do with a charismatic leader in this country.

25Avalon

Well Volver to me and others it is not an empty argument but real concern about our politics today. I’m afraid it is what the UK has come to.

OK. So the UK has come to the situation that there is nobody in the whole 60-odd million of us who could do a better job than running the country that a lying, entitled, overgrown Eton schoolboy who wouldn't know hardship if it hit him in the face? Someone who is happy to consort with oligarchs and court dictators if there is a chance of getting their oil? Someone who lies on such a regular basis that he himself doesn't know the difference between truth and lies any more? Someone who will exploit the Ukraine war to try to appeal to his support base?

Well it's not the UK I know.

60% of the British people did not vote for Brexit or Johnson, so I cringe when I hear "the British people voted for freedom", when in reality we lost freedoms. His faux Churchill impression is not going down well with many commentators.

Kandinsky

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

What do you mean by "his people". This is still a democracy isn't it? You don't get to be anyones' "people" unless you are in favour of a dictator, do you?

This is a genuine question. Do you mean they owe him some sort of hommage or tribute as you might have done historically? Personally, I am nobody's person except my own. Do people really feel like this? It's a bit too bowing and scraping for me.

volver

Tulpia

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

This is really despicable, you know? Actually you may not know, but it is.

Have you any idea of how international relations works? Any at all? Any concept of how Germany have completely revised their post war defence strategies? Any concept of how "I have read" just points to the fact that mostly what you read is incorrect, right wing propaganda?

The hate for Germany is still strong in some, volver. It will manifest itself whatever Germany does.

Our daughter’s partner of 10 years is German. No hatred of the German people from me - in fact the opposite and in fact, a lot of admiration. But their politicians (like ours) get things wrong sometimes.

I think by ‘their people’ Kandinsky just meant these are the Tories who pay for memberships and attend party conferences DaisyAnne. Simple as. Their choice!

volver

25Avalon

Well Volver to me and others it is not an empty argument but real concern about our politics today. I’m afraid it is what the UK has come to.

OK. So the UK has come to the situation that there is nobody in the whole 60-odd million of us who could do a better job than running the country that a lying, entitled, overgrown Eton schoolboy who wouldn't know hardship if it hit him in the face? Someone who is happy to consort with oligarchs and court dictators if there is a chance of getting their oil? Someone who lies on such a regular basis that he himself doesn't know the difference between truth and lies any more? Someone who will exploit the Ukraine war to try to appeal to his support base?

Well it's not the UK I know.

Well said, volver. Can I throw in his affairs with people like Arcuri as well? And constantly waffling on about Peppa Pig and Kermit the frog….

But their politicians (like ours) get things wrong sometimes.

On this occasion Germany didn't get it wrong. They have changed their entire ethos of 75 years standing in order to get it right.

Our problem isn't that our PM sometimes get it wrong, it's that he demonstrates constantly through his words and actions that he doesn't know right from wrong.

Urmstongran

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.

So you'd vote for somebody with the same values you have? Yes, that follows.

MayBee70

DaisyAnne

There is time between now and the next election Maizie and Casdon. A lot will depend on how people have felt the current issues have affected them. That election may well depend more on what Rishi Sunak does than anything Johnson can say.

Well, now we know Sunak’s cunning plan. Massive increase in state pension. So, we’re definitely heading towards an election. Wish I was rich enough to tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine….if now isn’t the right time to change leader because of the world being in crisis, why is it the right time for the government to be thinking about an election?

I found an article in the Express MayBee. Is this what you were refering to.

Sunak 'could revise' state pension increase - pensioners would get £364 extra via 7% rise
CHANCELLOR Rishi could announce an improved increase to the state pension at his Spring Statement announcement next week, an expert has suggested.

growstuff

Urmstongran

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.

So you'd vote for somebody with the same values you have? Yes, that follows.

growsruff I think we all vote for the party which best embodies our own ethos on life,

Of course growstuff I’m sure you do the same!

X posts GG13 ?

volver

Tulpia

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

This is really despicable, you know? Actually you may not know, but it is.

Have you any idea of how international relations works? Any at all? Any concept of how Germany have completely revised their post war defence strategies? Any concept of how "I have read" just points to the fact that mostly what you read is incorrect, right wing propaganda?

As opposed to your incorrect, left wing propaganda do you mean?

LilacChaser

I really don't find it an offensive comment. Silly, ill-thought out, and not really relevant, but not offensive. Too much fuss is being made of it.

No-one had to fight and die to achieve Brexit. Neither were children maimed or killed in its pursuit.

Johnson has hijacked a tragedy, one with possible global repercussions, for his own political gain and to further his personal ambition.

Brexit was a political, cultural and economic change to our constitution. The EU did not try to forcibly detain us or threaten to invade us. It is an absurd comparison. And to some it is offensive.

Ironically, Ukraine has applied to become an immediate member of the EU. Which makes his comment even more fatuous.

As Donald Tusk says, "Boris Johnson likens Ukrainians’ fight to British people voting for Brexit. I can still remember the enthusiasm of Putin and Trump after the referendum. Boris, your words offend Ukrainians, the British and common sense."

Even Putin is probably scratching his head in bewilderment... as are some staunch, high-profile Brexiters...

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

Urmstongran

I think by ‘their people’ Kandinsky just meant these are the Tories who pay for memberships and attend party conferences DaisyAnne. Simple as. Their choice!

Kandinsky didn't say "their people" though, did she Urmstongran; she said "his people". Johnson has no allegiance to party or country so they may be "his" people but he will let them die or starve to keep his current position.

Tulpia

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

There's always a 'but', isn't there?

Well volver as I mentioned upthread the USA couldn’t seem to find ‘anyone’ better than Trump from their 350 million citizens. Biden was the best the Democrats could come up with?

And regards Peppa Pig MayBee Boris was being highly relevant in his speech to the CBI as Peppa is a highly lucrative and very successful UK brand worldwide! I don’t recall him referencing the USA’s ‘Kermit the Frog’ (why would he?) but maybe I missed that.

As opposed to your incorrect, left wing propaganda do you mean?

Oh do keep up.

I'm not a believer of incorrect left wing propaganda.

I'm a separatist bent on breaking up the UK, remember?

MaizieD

Tulpia

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

There's always a 'but', isn't there?

"Some of my best friends are Germans"

Tulpia

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

Have you looked to see what they are doing in order to retreat from Russian oil and gas?

Not from your post it would seem.

Ruddy Nora. His Peppa Pig rambling was a pro-British speech. I have honestly heard it all now.

The good thing about this thread is that nobody is defending what Johnson said about Brexit being like the horror the people of Ukraine are facing. I take comfort from that.

Urmstongran

Well volver as I mentioned upthread the USA couldn’t seem to find ‘anyone’ better than Trump from their 350 million citizens. Biden was the best the Democrats could come up with?

And regards Peppa Pig MayBee Boris was being highly relevant in his speech to the CBI as Peppa is a highly lucrative and very successful UK brand worldwide! I don’t recall him referencing the USA’s ‘Kermit the Frog’ (why would he?) but maybe I missed that.

But you seem to have no real knowledge of US politics - or the fact that it is their choice not ours to make.

Where exactly do you get your information from Urmstongran.