Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

You do make me laugh Urmstongran.. having one set of friends with the same politics as yourself who live in Wales and don’t like Mark Drakeford does not make you an expert. If you remember, the Welsh Senedd elections were in 2021, and Labour (and Mark Drakeford personally) had increased majorities. We don’t despair here. The current forecast is that the Tories will lose all the Welsh seats they gained in 2019 at the next election, which may be why you are despairing though.

Whitewavemark2

Tulpia

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

Have you looked to see what they are doing in order to retreat from Russian oil and gas?

Not from your post it would seem.

Never let research, truth or facts stand in the way of a good dogma.

I happen to think net zero will be Boris’ nemesis. He has taken on the mantle of Ed Miliband’s virtue signalling, dystopian, claptrap vision of an energy policy, given it steroids and made it his signature dish…
…And no one wants it.

I can’t see Boris remaining if he doesn’t change tack and soon.

Anyone fancy a game of Boris Bingo?

Net Zero now. We must be close to a full house.

Is it computer generated?

Johnson has conveniently decided not to mention that Putin backed brexit and achieved his aim of weakeing the EU and the UK in the process. He thought he could weaken Ukraine by supporting separatists but the Ukrainians will not allow it. They have more sense, more pride. more courage.

I’m glad we can agree to disagree Casdon without animosity. ??
Exchanging viewpoints pleasantly is nice.
I’m glad I made you laugh.

I read articles from various sources - some of which chime with my views, others that don’t but my eldest daughter encourages me ‘not to stay in an echo chamber mum’.

Both Brexit and Ukraine are Russian projects..

John Sweeney
@johnsweeneyroar
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#KyivDiary Day 25
The war is going badly in the South.
Brexit was a Kremlin project.
If Boris Johnson comes to Kyiv, I'll ask him: "PM, why did you celebrate your election victory with Russian (ex?) spy Alexander Lebedev who has a photo of his friend Vladimir Putin on his book?"

Another one who should be ashamed of herself

Priti Patel has said Vladimir Putin might try to use Ukrainian women and children to infiltrate the UK

Just like it was for the Brexit voters eh?

“The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️Head of Donetsk Military-Civil Administration, Pavlo Kyrylenko, said thousands of Mariupol residents who managed to escape from Russian bombs are starving to death in occupied Manhushi and Melekin.

Russian occupying forces refuse to provide food, water and safe passage.”

Priti Patel has said Vladimir Putin might try to use Ukrainian women and children to infiltrate the UK

Another Salisbury attack WWMk2?

to democracy to propoganda

bouy buoy

Ignore that bit. I though something had posted too soon.

Urmstongran

I’m glad we can agree to disagree Casdon without animosity. ??
Exchanging viewpoints pleasantly is nice.
I’m glad I made you laugh.

I read articles from various sources - some of which chime with my views, others that don’t but my eldest daughter encourages me ‘not to stay in an echo chamber mum’.

It really isn't "nice" when facts are blurred to the point of being untrue though Urmstongran.

Urmstongran

^Priti Patel has said Vladimir Putin might try to use Ukrainian women and children to infiltrate the UK^

Another Salisbury attack WWMk2?

I know this is sentimental, but it just seems apt.

"Their's is a sky all black with bombers, mine is the green field and the factory floor"

"Their's is a land with walls around it, mine is a faith in my fellow man."

Billy Bragg.

Just out of interest Urmstongran, how will you feel if it does turn out Brexit was "a Kremlin project. as has been suggested by many who know more than we do?

Coastpath

Ruddy Nora. His Peppa Pig rambling was a pro-British speech. I have honestly heard it all now.

The good thing about this thread is that nobody is defending what Johnson said about Brexit being like the horror the people of Ukraine are facing. I take comfort from that.

... to be strictly 'fair' at the same time as trying to be objective - necessary when criticising Johnson for fear of being labelled as a "Boris Basher" - although he rambled, there was a point to his circuitous Peppa Pig observations. The 'Pig' was a successful British enterprise. I believe that Hasbro, an American Multinational conglomerate has now bought the piggy's owner, Entertainment One though.

And Johnson, via Wilfred, probably knows quite a lot about Peppa...

So, it was a pro-British speech showcasing British endeavour.

Ironically, it was one of the UK-listed firms targeted by a foreign buyer after the £Pound weakened amid "Brexit fears" .

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.

Regardless of whether I think Brexit was good or bad, think for BJ to compare Brexit with Ukraine is disgusting. For all its faults don’t think the EU would bomb us for disagreeing with them! Every time I think Boris can’t sink any lower he proves me wrong.

What was that Urmstongran?

The Russia Report showed the British government and intelligence agencies failed to conduct any proper assessment of Kremlin attempts to interfere with the 2016 Brexit referendum. I don't think that counts as disproving it.

My question again then: How will you feel if it does turn out Brexit was "a Kremlin project as has been suggested by many who know more than we do?

There are many Tory MPs who are very aware of the damage that BJ is doing to democracy - I want to know what they are doing about it. It would seem they are biding their time - but how long?

Urmstongran

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.

? no just the opposite in fact, it is just that Johnson won’t publish the evidence.

Urmstongran

^Priti Patel has said Vladimir Putin might try to use Ukrainian women and children to infiltrate the UK^

Another Salisbury attack WWMk2?

But that wasn't refugees. That was a couple of Russian tourists who came to see the nice cathedral at Salisbury. Who came through an airport through the proper channels.

Let's keep all foreigners out, shall we?

Casdon

You do make me laugh Urmstongran.. having one set of friends with the same politics as yourself who live in Wales and don’t like Mark Drakeford does not make you an expert. If you remember, the Welsh Senedd elections were in 2021, and Labour (and Mark Drakeford personally) had increased majorities. We don’t despair here. The current forecast is that the Tories will lose all the Welsh seats they gained in 2019 at the next election, which may be why you are despairing though.

Unfortunately for those of us living in the north under Betsi Cadwaladr health board, Casdon, Labour have done absolutely nothing to crow about and their majority is guaranteed given the South Wales capacity to vote for donkeys if they wear red rosettes!

Urmstongran

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.

You should try reading a bit more, Ug.

The road to Brexit is lined with Russian flags. Most of the key figures turn out to have Russian connections; be financed by Russia and like Putin.

There's even a video clip doing the rounds of Putin in 2017 telling Theresa May to get on with it. And the infamous statement by a retiring Russian ambassador to the UK saying that as a result of Brexit Britain is on its knees and won't recover for a long time (mission accomplished?)...

Johnson, Banks, Farage, Elliot, Cummings... all up to their necks in Russia.