Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

Last week in my conversation class they were joking about thé nimber of refugees with all their papers being allowed in the UK This week I can see they will be quoting the comparison between Brexit and the Russians invasion .

Thank you for this thread. There are some really clever and knowledgeable posters here, who know their politics inside and out (with one exception of course). I applaud your knowledge, I have enjoyed reading the viewpoints.

Luckygirl3

There are many Tory MPs who are very aware of the damage that BJ is doing to democracy - I want to know what they are doing about it. It would seem they are biding their time - but how long?

... I think they are more worried about the damage to the reputation of the party TBH.

And I think it is that fact that will drive any no-confidence votes or change in leadership.

If they see they are losing the support of those that lent the party their vote to get Brexit 'done' - or keep Corbyn out, or both - together with some of their traditional supporters, then I think they will act rather than face defeat at the next GE

But as long as he keeps his appeal I think they'll hang on to him. And I believe he has enough support for that to happen.

His crass comment comparing Brexit with Ukraine - and suggesting Starmer would have held up the white-flag... the action of surrender - and to some, 'cowardice' - will not faze them... it's been suggested by one poster that we are all making too much fuss about it. Obviously to some, words don't matter. But I cannot help wondering what the headlines would be if, say, Corbyn had made such a comment.

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

lavendermine that’s no way to refer to*MaizieD*.
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Ladyleftfieldlover

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

With apologies first to any sensible Conservative voters here, and I know there are many.

Isn't that kind of a Conservative thing? Everyone relies on their own resources, if you can't stand on your own two feet then that's your own responsibility? Devil take the hindmost...

Bless you Ug

Ladyleftfieldlover

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

I'm afraid it is even worse. Some, including the PM and some MPs, put personal interest before both party and country.

I keep coming back to that word 'allegiance'. So different to 'patriotism' and so much more what we need. Seeing your country without the rose-coloured glasses and still showing loyalty, seems a much higher aim than flag-waving and shouting the odds.

The allegiance shown in Ukraine makes our leaders look very small.

I don’t think the average voter knows that much about politics tbh, just the very basics.
I include myself in that.
But thankfully everyone over 18 is allowed to vote which is how it should be.

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While FBPEers try sniping the government at any opportunity, in the real world an astonishing poll puts into perspective just how well the PM’s handled Ukraine in the eyes of those who matter: Ukrainians.

The poll conducted by US outlet Cyngnal finds Boris’s net approval rating in Ukraine is second only to that of Zelenskyys, and is well ahead of Biden and Sholtz.

Zelenskyy: +79%
Boris: +49.6%
Biden: +25.8%
Scholz: +23.4%
Xi Jinping: -19.4%
Putin: -86.7%
The UK also stands as the most popular ally in all this, 14 points ahead of the EU and 23 points ahead of the US:

??: 56%
??: 42.2%
??: 33.3%
Nato: -16.8%
Following the Kosovo conflict, parents started calling boys Tonibler – will Boris be the new baby name de jour of Ukraine when all this is over?

That's a cut and paste from Guido Fawkes, isn't it?

And funnily enough I can't find any corporate information about Cyngnal. Its almost as thought they didn't really exist.

How odd.

Oh, Cygnal!!

Cygnal is a polling and survey research firm serving center-right consultant, caucus, committee, political, independent expenditure, association, and advocacy organizations.

They sound unbiassed.

Sadly for you, Maudi, Ukranians don't vote in UK general elections.

We have a far more realistic view of Johnson.

Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting. [Source: www.cygn.al/]

I do love the way they see the party that elected Trump as center-right and forward-thinking.

Ohh, I love a mystery.

.al in their domain name?

Albania.

I wondered! Thank you volver

DaisyAnne ?

I'm still struggling with the question about whether people in a Russian speaking place might call their babies Boris.

Very careless mistake there Maudi. I really do despair, the information and evidence is there for all to see, the Brexit campaign was supported by and funded by Putin, and many high profile people were either in his pay, or too stupid to see they were stooges. So, anyone like to speak up for Daniel Hannan, Richard Tice, Nigel Farage, GB news, many of the ERG group, Johnson? Johnson is a blabbering liar, a self centred man obsessed with staying in power, he is not fit for the job, but to my mind, the worst aspect is that he is a security risk. Frankly, I think he should be arrested and charged with treason. As for Brexit, he was only the front man on that, the one chosen, god help us, to appeal to a certain group of the electorate, people easily swayed by false rhetoric, fear of 'others', people who read and believe certain newspapers, people who unbelievably, will forgive him anything, however appalling, however crass, because, well Brexit.

volver

DaisyAnne ?

I'm still struggling with the question about whether people in a Russian speaking place might call their babies Boris.

We probably need a ramdom thoughts thread. I'm always having them.

DaisyAnne

^Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting.^ [Source: www.cygn.al/]

Exactly! I Googled it too. There are multiple instances of the same quote with no explanations of polling methodology. This isn't a neutral polling organisation. The result is meaningless.

growstuff

DaisyAnne

Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting. [Source: www.cygn.al/]

Exactly! I Googled it too. There are multiple instances of the same quote with no explanations of polling methodology. This isn't a neutral polling organisation. The result is meaningless.

Yes, but if a report, however biased and unscientific, supports people's viewpoint, they will choose to believe it. Did anyone honestly believe the £350m to the NHS on the side of a bus? This figure was easily disproved by anyone who wanted to check, but millions didn't because it backed up their decision. Likewise, the nonsense about breaking free of the EU rule making, despite the number of times this was clarified, many people, including a substantial number of posters on here, chose to believe it.

I think we should add, just in case anybody is in any doubt...

The results of that poll are probably made up by a politically biased organisation and spread on the internet to promote an untrue picture of Johnson's popularity. For what end, you'll all have to decide for yourselves.

I reckon all that viagra and whiskey has addled his brain

Likewise, the nonsense about breaking free of the EU rule making, despite the number of times this was clarified, many people, including a substantial number of posters on here, chose to believe it.

Well being apart from the EU certainly helped us in the early days of the procurement and rolling out of vaccines Gill57. I was amazed how well the UK did at the time. It was Excellent.
Vaccines distributed age groups down. The brother of my stepfather, who was then 95y in December 2019, was the first person I knew who got a vaccine. The Most Vulnerable First.

Out Here in Spain? Teachers. Paramedics. Police.
Front line workers but not elderly.
I think we were pretty amazing in the UK.