the law as it stands on sex

But if that space is in a refuge, or in a sport where women expect to compete against other women at approximately the same level of strength and muscle development or the same heart and lung capacity, or in the data compiled about the numbers of crimes committed respectively by men and women, then we can be kind to transpeople until we turn blue in the face and expire, but it doesn't alter the fact that the space has been lost to natural women.

Elegran

But if that space is in a refuge, or in a sport where women expect to compete against other women at approximately the same level of strength and muscle development or the same heart and lung capacity, or in the data compiled about the numbers of crimes committed respectively by men and women, then we can be kind to transpeople until we turn blue in the face and expire, but it doesn't alter the fact that the space has been lost to natural women.

I've not argued with that

People in this discussion are very different on both the (unnecessary) sides

I don't think that no TW can be trusted to not fraudulently misrepresent themselves but appropriate safeguards must be in place to prevent any who will.

If the honesty isn't there to begin with then no Mollygo, no difference at all.

Smileless2012

It's not always advisable to respond on how we feel and nothing else is it DL. You can feel an emotion but not outwardly express it or make it known in other ways.

I remember how I felt many years ago when my brother told he was gay. I felt sad and afraid for him because I knew that given his chosen profession, life would not be easy for him.

He's never known that. All he knows is that his sister put her arms around him and told him how much she loved him and how proud she was. That's all he needed to know and all he'll ever know.

No, absolutely. My step grandson is gay, and happily living with his partner.

I didn't actually feel anything much, other than to hope he had a happy life.

But, it's pointless asking how I would feel in a hypothetical situation. Because I don't know.

Does anyone?

And how is biological women fighting to keep those spaces not being kind to transpeople?

VioletSky @ 15.12 I'm a bit perplexed. I haven't addressed you, mentioned you or referenced any of your posts for the simple reason that I try to avoid interacting with you at all. I'm mildly baffled that you think you're being bullied but not sufficiently interested to enquire further.

Thank you, SnowberryZ !
fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/

From the thread www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1308091-I-think-this-will-happen-more-and-more

No, no one knows how they may feel in any given situation until they find themselves in it DL and in my experience, those who really believe that their feelings and their response will be just as it should be (whatever that might be) are sometimes shocked when they're not.

But life is a series of hypothetical situations and we are social animals who move in many circles. So what we say on a public forum quite often impacts somebody...

So asking to consider those feelings the same way we would someone we love and cherish isn't really all that out there.

If we limit our experience to only people we actually know and then form opinions about others based on that, how is that helpful?

None of my children are gay but it's important to me that they know I am an ally to gay people and that they don't have to ever worry about coming out to me, just bring whoever round for dinner and normal services continue

So why wouldn't I think about that in advance when it is a possibility?

I've just read a thread on Mumsnet that's discussing how a trans woman (penile intact male) carried tampons into the ladies toilets with him so that he could offer them to women who needed them and then go into the next cubicle. Apparently it's a recognised sexual thrill for them. <not envy>

Everything people say impacts someone VS, its how we explore complex ideas. I dont mean on GN as such I mean as a society as a whole.

Galaxy

Everything people say impacts someone VS, its how we explore complex ideas. I dont mean on GN as such I mean as a society as a whole.

Yes it does, we also have to make allowances for intentions because a lot of the time people don't have bad intentions just lack of knowledge or understanding

VioletSky

But life is a series of hypothetical situations and we are social animals who move in many circles. So what we say on a public forum quite often impacts somebody...

So asking to consider those feelings the same way we would someone we love and cherish isn't really all that out there.

If we limit our experience to only people we actually know and then form opinions about others based on that, how is that helpful?

None of my children are gay but it's important to me that they know I am an ally to gay people and that they don't have to ever worry about coming out to me, just bring whoever round for dinner and normal services continue

So why wouldn't I think about that in advance when it is a possibility?

We can think about what we might do, could do, and wish we would do.

But, until a scenario arises, we don't know how we would feel or what we would or did do.

It's all ideas until then.

I'm not a particular ally to anything, but when my Step-grandson next rocks over the pond, of course I would welcome his partner.

Why on earth wouldn't I??

OMG that's disgusting Chewbacca.

VioletSky

Galaxy

Everything people say impacts someone VS, its how we explore complex ideas. I dont mean on GN as such I mean as a society as a whole.

Yes it does, we also have to make allowances for intentions because a lot of the time people don't have bad intentions just lack of knowledge or understanding

Why are you assuming those who want to protect female spaces are suffering from a lack of knowledge or understanding?

Chewbacca

I've just read a thread on Mumsnet that's discussing how a trans woman (penile intact male) carried tampons into the ladies toilets with him so that he could offer them to women who needed them and then go into the next cubicle. Apparently it's a recognised sexual thrill for them. <not envy>

How delightful....?

Chewbacca

VioletSky @ 15.12 I'm a bit perplexed. I haven't addressed you, mentioned you or referenced any of your posts for the simple reason that I try to avoid interacting with you at all. I'm mildly baffled that you think you're being bullied but not sufficiently interested to enquire further.

Well that's is just not honest if you refer to and quote a post made in reference to me.

doodledog might say I am playing victim but perhaps there needs to be some understanding of a truth there

Pointing out when another is trying to victimise you is not playing victim.

In order to be a victim I would have to tie some of my self worth to what relative strangers say on an Internet forum...

Thankfully that doesn't apply to me but I am aware of what others might be hurt by and I will continue to point out that behavior when I see it.

We have been warned.

Mollygo

We have been warned.

I didn't need help to make my point but thank you anyway

Smileless2012

I don't think that no TW can be trusted to not fraudulently misrepresent themselves but appropriate safeguards must be in place to prevent any who will.

If the honesty isn't there to begin with then no Mollygo, no difference at all.

Thank you Smileless2012.

How delightful....

They have other uses as well apparently Diamond. All in their quest to feel "just like a menstruating woman". The tweets I've read are nauseating.

Diamondlily as I was responding to a general comment I think you can assume I was making a general answer

Anyway I'm getting a headache so please don't blame me if I miss comments to me etc because I'm struggling to keep up with it all as it is, without needing a break. Start fresh another time

Just glide on by MollyGo; Don't be intimidated, threatened or bullied.

Chewbacca

Just glide on by MollyGo; Don't be intimidated, threatened or bullied.

Thanks Chewbacca. In my current circumstances, I think I’ve got a headache to go with my other symptoms, but I’ll soldier on.