Coming out as transgender

Doodledog The “some of you” is me. I posted earlier “Who would want a man like this for a husband” and I meant it.
I truly don’t care if JW or anyone else is trans, bi, gay, whatever. What I do care about is honesty and again, from what I’ve read, this man has little to no concept of honesty.

People forget boundaries
lack of boundaries affect vulnerable people
It is allowed to be discussed and it is allowed to be discussed so laws are not changed so boundaries are changed that affect the most vulnerable
it isn't rocket science

And I have been discussing sites like sugar daddy sites and the damage they do to vulnerable people for years. So i will carry on talking about it thanks.

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The information about him has been out there in the press for months, I guess mainly noticed and known about by those of us in Wales. It’s a small country, and we are all nosey. He’s not the only one of the cohort of 2019 with baggage. I agree with Callistemon21 that the people of Bridgend deserve somebody who delivers for them.

volver

Gosh, I wish I was as well adjusted and perfect as some of the other Grans. Then I could judge other people and make the world a better place.

You're doing a pretty good job of setting yourself up as self-appointed judge of other posters on this thread, aren't you?

grannydarkhair

I'd heard of him because it was rather a surprise (understatement) when a Conservative ousted the Labour MP in Bridgend, but, as Anniebach said, it was the Corbyn effect.
Since then, and before any of this, there were grumbles about him regarding his failure to respond to constituents' concerns.

Jess Phillips, whom I respect enormously, was calling for the whip to be withdrawn from him two years ago for his dubious business dealings.
A Welsh Labour MP, Tonia Antoniazzi, supported Jess Phillips in this.

It’s a small country, and we are all nosey
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Were you all posting about how awful he was yesterday, before we knew his story?

No-one on GN would have been interested in a Welsh MP who just wasn't doing his job properly.

Whatever MPs, and Johnson, think about transgender, it looks as though they are going to have to nail their colours to one of the masts soon.

Three biological women, female activists seem to starting an organisation/movement insisting that they say, before votes are cast.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10674135/Three-women-launch-significant-female-movement-Suffragettes.html

Thanks for posting the link Diamond. I read it on line earlier. It’s good to see women suggesting politicians who seek our vote so they can represent us, give straight forward, honest answers on sex, gender and safe spaces for women.

I’d not heard of Jamie Wallis before yesterday. His history of business dealings and unreliability as a local councillor and more recently as an MP suggest he’s unsuitable to hold public office. Since when did leaving the scene of an accident and ‘hooking up’ with sexual partners on line become acceptable in our MP’s.

Hypothetical situation:

All the candidates for your constituency at the next election are asked the question proposed by the three women. The only candidates who says "women can't have penises" is the Tory. You've never voted Tory in your life. You think they are the party of the privileged, they have no concept of the lives of most people and they will ruin this country while lining their own pockets. They disdain the public sector and want to sell off the NHS.

Do you still vote Tory?

No I wouldn’t vote Tory volver.
I believe all the parties need a coherent answer to the questions posed

katie49

As for running a sex business, you would have thought the local Tories would have cold shouldered him, on the other hand maybe some were clients.

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No I have never voted Tory in my life. And as I said somewhere Johnson cares not a jot about womens rights or transpeople. He has seen what he thinks will be a successful strategy and is going for it. I am fairly cross with labour the party I vote for, for getting themselves into this mess. Blair would have no more made this mistake (and yes I know he made many others) than fly to the moon.

The Tory MP in a sedate northern constituency was involved in a scandal with young Brazilian rent boys. His constituency party seems to have been totally unconcerned

Nobody cares a great deal about those involved in 'sex work' and if they were underage it was obviously abuse (sorry I dont know the case). They chant the mantra sex work is work without any thought of the exploitation involved.

I haven't voted Tory since 1979. I was a Labour party member until the day Corbyn took over.

After that I voted for an independent.

I thought, with Starmer, they finally had a decent leader, with sensible views, worth voting for again.

But, unless he and the Labour Party clarify, honestly, where they stand, I will just carry on voting independent..

There's no way on earth I'd vote Tory.

So what if your independent candidate said that women could have penises DL?

Ok, so nobody so far saying they would vote Tory even if they are the only ones who answer that women can't have penises.

So what is the point of the question, please?

It couldn't be stoking up false anger, could it?

Ask a proper question. Do you agree with safe single sex spaces? Do you agree that prisons should be single sex? Do you agree that people should not be allowed to identify as the opposite sex/gender just to escape punishment?

But no. Much easier to simplify it to a simple yes/no that stokes up discord. It makes me angry, sorry, but it does.

Well, there is usually more than one Independent candidate.

I've got no problem with how others live, or what they wish to identify as - their business.

But, I want the safe spaces of biological women left alone, and sports to be run fairly.

I also want politicians to have the courage to say the obvious - women do not have a penis. And probably never will have.

DiamondLily

Well, there is usually more than one Independent candidate.

I've got no problem with how others live, or what they wish to identify as - their business.

But, I want the safe spaces of biological women left alone, and sports to be run fairly.

I also want politicians to have the courage to say the obvious - women do not have a penis. And probably never will have.

But they all say women have penises in my hypothetical situation.

I'm trying to find out if saying women don't have penises is more important than perpetuating the need for foodbanks, demonising immigrants and ruining the economy. That's all really.

Ask a proper question. Do you agree with safe single sex spaces? Do you agree that prisons should be single sex? Do you agree that people should not be allowed to identify as the opposite sex/gender just to escape punishment?

I suppose all politicians could answer Yes to those questions; but if someone is allowed to self-identify as a woman i.e. claim to be of that sex, it comes back to what is a woman and can one have a penis?

The point, surely, is that asking a simple yes/no question allows for comparisons between responses in a way that open questions will not. Open questions are great for 'rich picture' research which explores nuance, but not so good for quantitative or 'countable' findings.

If you are having a doorstep conversation with a potential MP you can ask about single-sex spaces, and debate possible differentials in the answer. If representatives of all the possibles turn up when you're in, you can cross-reference your answers. If, as is more likely, however, you get a few leaflets, but want to compare all the views on a particular topic, it is far easier to read simple statements or yes/no answers.

I'm trying to find out if saying women don't have penises is more important than perpetuating the need for foodbanks, demonising immigrants and ruining the economy. That's all really.

I dare say that as with all political issues, people will prioritise differently. In an ideal world, I'd like so vote for someone who cared about all of those things, but if no such option exists, I would have to make choices, as would everyone else. Those choices will differ between supporters of the same party as well as between voters for different ones.

Its quite important that those politicians who are dealing with the issues of poverty and immigration etc, are trustworthy honest and coherent if a politician was going around saying the earth was flat and wanting everyone else to believe that I might have concerns about their ability to tackle the complex issue of poverty. Oh and for what its worth I think Labour shouldnt have touched this topic with a bloody bargepole so I am quite cross too. But you know what if women are told they are bigots, and to shut up and lose their jobs for thinking biological sex is important then yes you are going to end up with questions like this.