War crimes in Ukraine

gg13

Yes I’m sure - but they need fighter planes I would like to read that is happening.

GG13 If all the money stopped flowing in tomorrow do you think Putin would pull out of Ukraine?

Its not a simple sum where we send him money, and he buys tanks with it.

Its a large economy and I have no doubt that he would use anything he can to finance this war, for as long as possible. Although its highly distasteful we have got ourselves into the situation where we, the West, rely on Russia for fuel. And if that stops we're not talking about a few more pence on diesel, we're talking about the collapse of industry and with it, the Western economies. As far as I can see, all the countries of the West are trying to extract themselves from this situation, but it cannot happen overnight, and even if it did it wouldn't stop the killing.

14:35Whitewavemark2

maudi yes we do know all that. I’m not sure of your point?

Eer that the EU are Russia's biggest customer and are paying billions into Putin's war chest. The chart is to show my point. Posting funny smilies and trying to make fun of me doesn't distract from the facts.

I don’t think your opinion is unpopular GrannyGravy13, as I said, I agree. It would require the government to introduce a diesel rationing system, and for businesses and the British public to accept reduced goods availability, higher prices and delays though - which presumably the government have decided not to introduce. In the meantime all we can do is to reduce our own consumption as far as possible.

You haven't read this thread, have you?

Interestingly I was listening to Rory Stuart this morning who has recently returned to the Middle East from Africa, and he said that they by no means back the west in this war.

Of course Russia and China have spent a great deal of time and money in these countries. I think that this should be a salutatory lesson to those who think our overseas budget should be limited. Soft power is so important.

Maudi

14:35Whitewavemark2

maudi yes we do know all that. I’m not sure of your point?

Eer that the EU are Russia's biggest customer and are paying billions into Putin's war chest. The chart is to show my point. Posting funny smilies and trying to make fun of me doesn't distract from the facts.

Read the thread

I wasn’t making fun of you. My smiley face was directed at volver

Who knew you had to read the thread ?

The EU sends almost a billion euros a day to Russia in energy payments compared to just €1bn aid for Ukraine since the start of the war.

Josep Borrell admitted to the European Parliament that the bloc had sent a billion euros a day to Moscow in payments since its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, but just €1 billion in weapons to Kyiv.

“We have given Ukraine €1 billion,” the Spaniard told MEPs. “It might seem a lot, but €1 billion is what we pay Putin every day for the energy he provides us. (copied from The Telegraph today)

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

No but I can take a guess at how he's paying for them.

From what an expert was saying on Sky yesterday many of them are very old and not up to date WWM The rate they are losing them at is much higher than the Ukraine army is - as in very much.

India, Algeria and China seem to be the top providers.

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

Iran and North Korea.

The Czech Republic are sending tanks. They asked for tanks.

GG13, I don’t see your view as unpopular. We need to do all we can to support Ukraine against this illegal invasion.

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

Russia is a major arms manufacturer, many other countries including China use Russian weapons, either locally built or imported.

Whitewavemark2

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

So would I.

Thank the Lord that we get 84/85% of our gas from Norway.

We don’t actually maddyone, 48% of our gas is produced in the UK itself. The remainder does mainly come from Norway though.

That’s interesting Casdon but certainly not unwelcome if true. It’s just that I saw the 84/85 figure on one of the news programmes at the beginning of the war. I hope you’re right.

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

So would I.

So would i

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As far as I am concerned 8% of fuel imported from Russia is 8% too much.