War crimes in Ukraine

Casdon

The thing is GrannyGravy13* that the UK is also still dependent on Russian oil, so the pot is calling the kettle black if we condemn European countries who have much less alternative than we do.
.This little gem was hidden in the BBC News the other day.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60948439

Sorry we should stop imports immediately.

Hopefully the PM’s meeting in Saudi Arabia was successful and negate the need to buy anything from Russia. In the meantime we should up our imports from USA.

The PM came back from SA with nothing, zilch.

Whitewavemark2

The PM came back from SA with nothing, zilch.

Source of your information please.

Oh yeah, buy from Saudi Arabia. That'll fix it. (They said no, didn't they?)

And there isn't a lake of diesel sitting in the middle of the USA waiting for us to buy some.

www.ft.com/content/7d8f3962-e88a-489a-b98d-312f3a82a174

SA said no.

Jaberwok

DaisyAnne, like everyone on here I am entitled to post what comments I please provided they don't break the rules governing these threads,and it is not for you to dictate otherwise,so perhaps you will desist in your attempts to do so. I do not agree with your comment and I am entitled to say just that. Yes I would be prepared to have my utilities reduced to help the people of Ukraine. I was an adult with young children during the three day week restrictions in 1973/74 , and you'd be amazed at how easy it was to cope even in January once you got used to the system. Obviously people these days would consider it an enormous deprivation having been spoon fed for donkeys years,but actually it's not, nothing like as bad as being bombed, shelled,raped, murdered, kidnapped ,without mercy when nothing will save you, age, sex, illness nothing

Your halo outshines us all Jaberwok.

volver

www.ft.com/content/7d8f3962-e88a-489a-b98d-312f3a82a174

SA said no.

It’s behind a paywall.

It’s all well and good to condemn the war crimes by President Putin’s troops, but it’s time to do more than tut the rest of the world has to wake up and realise that we all need to take a hit and stop buying fossil fuels from Russia.

Looks as if NATO is more than willing to expand its membership, which will not please Russia, but no question yet that Ukraine would be welcome, which I think is a big mistake.

From the FT article:

Boris Johnson has failed to secure a commitment from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to raise oil production after a day-long visit to the two Gulf countries.

The UK prime minister was heavily criticised by MPs ahead of his trip to Riyadh after the government executed 81 people on terrorism and related charges at the weekend. But Johnson defended the decision, arguing that as the world’s largest oil exporter, the kingdom was too important to ignore.

Johnson met the Saudi day-to-day ruler Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and signed a memorandum of understanding to set up a strategic partnership council after arriving from the UAE. The prime minister also said Saudi Arabia would be announcing a £1bn investment in Teesside to produce green aviation fuel.

Both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have rebuffed US appeals to increase oil production to offset the loss of Russian oil. Washington has had strained relations with Saudi Arabia since Joe Biden arrived in the White House after he vowed to reassess relations with the kingdom over human rights concerns.

But Johnson, who is seen as having a better relationship with Prince Mohammed, also appears to have walked away empty-handed.

Thank you volver looks like the Saudis will hang back until the last minute then up production and price per barrel, they have form on doing this.

How do we know whether we are using fossil fuels that have come from Russia though? My car’s a diesel, I live in the sticks and do a lot of miles, and when I go to the garage to fill up I have no idea where the fuel comes from. The country can’t grind to a standstill because we are 20% down on diesel imports so there’s an urgent need to find an alternative source - but the government are saying it won’t be before the end of the year. I think that demonstrates how complex the situation is.
I agree in principle that we should sanction Russia as far as we possibly can, but it’s not that easy.

news.sky.com/story/the-west-is-chipping-away-at-russias-ability-to-finance-its-violent-campaign-in-ukraine-12582864

The EU is Russia's biggest customer.

Posted by mistake, sorry. Posted it before. Please ignore.

Germany top Russian oil importer

Yes Maudi, we know. That's what we've been talking about for the last hour and a half.

(ps - the graph's about gas, not oil. HTH)

maudi yes we do know all that. I’m not sure of your point?

Our business has four diesel delivery vehicles, all use diesel (lots of) but I am more that willing to pay more for fuel that has not come from Russia.

I would absolutely despair if I knew that I was financing President Putin’s war machine, albeit in a minuscule way.

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My grin was to volver

I agree GrannyGravy, but the point is that we don’t know where the fuel we use comes from when we fill up. Not pretending I know what the answer is, but a reduction of 20% in diesel availability would be very challenging for the UK.

Casdon

I agree GrannyGravy, but the point is that we don’t know where the fuel we use comes from when we fill up. Not pretending I know what the answer is, but a reduction of 20% in diesel availability would be very challenging for the UK.

Nowhere near as challenging as the situation that the Ukrainian population is in.

I know my opinion is unpopular, but the only way to,stop President Putin is to stop the money flowing into Russia.

Thank you DaisyAnne, always glad to be appreciated

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

Whitewavemark2

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

I think the hardware is on its way, at least the U.K.’s is.