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Who next for PM?

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DaisyAnne Wed 13-Apr-22 09:11:03

Listening to the closing interview on Today they seem to think nothing will happen until after the May Local Elections.

The suggestion was that, if Johnson is defenestrated, the next PM could not be from the current Cabinet as they are now all tarred with backing Johnson. Hunt name was the only one they could suggest.

What are your thoughts? I can't see how, if he goes, the government can continue but I do understand I have an underlying bias.

Katie59 Thu 14-Apr-22 08:55:04

Not JRM, please not Liz Truss I cringe every time she speaks, everyone in the cabinet has baggage now. There s no front runner or even potential runner, the depressing thing is Johnson is likely to remain for the time being and even if an election was called the Tories would still win.

Lucca Thu 14-Apr-22 09:02:19

Absolutely literally anybody except JRM please.

Jane43 Thu 14-Apr-22 09:07:34

Nadim Zahawi has always struck me as being someone who approaches being decent, he handled the vaccination programme well and he seems to be making headway in Education after his disastrous predecessor.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Apr-22 09:11:33

It says something about the Tory party when they are struggling to come up with a half decent alternative to Johnson.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 14-Apr-22 09:38:06

Are they struggling to do that? I haven’t heard it reported.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Apr-22 09:48:30

Someone who isn’t turning to fascist policies would be a start.

GillT57 Thu 14-Apr-22 12:12:05

Germanshepherdsmum

Are they struggling to do that? I haven’t heard it reported.

so which of the stunning array of candidates would you choose?

westendgirl Thu 14-Apr-22 12:13:11

Why does it have to be someone from the cabinet.?
There are back benchers who have experience surely ?.I understood that the cabinet had been chosen to make Johnson look competent by their inefficiency.
I think we need a fresh start, get away from the corrupt , inept
mob we have now.

MayBee70 Thu 14-Apr-22 12:18:31

Alas Johnson has not only surrounded himself with yes men in his cabinet but the party lost many decent Conservative MP’s who had no intention of serving in his government, a Prime example being Rory Stewart. Ken Clarke was retiring anyway but, had he not been I don’t think he would have stayed on. I know for a fact that Anna Soubry wouldn’t have served under him. She told me what she thought of him long before he was leader.

Katie59 Thu 14-Apr-22 12:28:52

Germanshepherdsmum

Are they struggling to do that? I haven’t heard it reported.

Let’s face it nobody can get away with lying better than Johnson, tried and tested, very reliable.

OakDryad Thu 14-Apr-22 12:32:02

To quote Martin Kettle:

The party knows that Johnson is mortally wounded. But, since the complacent self-destruction of Rishi Sunak, it isn’t sure who would now win an election that Johnson would lose. How extraordinary it is that, among the 358 other Tory MPs, not one of them thinks they could do better. Instead, the party sits on its hands, making the craven calculation that there is more gravy to be made out of being in government ...

But the Tory party isn’t sitting on its hands about Johnson’s rule breaking alone. It is also complicit in the breaking of the rules – in the sense of the moral code of public life – itself. By saying it is better that Johnson should stay – better for the Tory party, better for the MPs, that is – the party is, in effect, asserting that this prime minister, uniquely, can lie to parliament without consequence, and break the law without paying a political price.

Complicit - every one of them who hasn't sent a letter to the 1922 Committee and especially those who have withdrawn the letter they did send.

Is David Wolfson the only Tory with a demonstrable sense of morality?

westendgirl Thu 14-Apr-22 13:02:40

Well said Oak Dryad , thank you for your posting which
makes so much sense.I do agree that sitting M.Ps should stand up and be counted. I wish that more of them had the necessary moral fibre and think their support should be for their constituents rather than for the corrupt group in power.
What are they frightened of ?

OakDryad Thu 14-Apr-22 13:35:21

Thank you westendgirl although most of that was Kettle's words not mine. Being generous, I think that timing: Easter and the Parliamentary recess may have something to do with the silence apart from one of two people who would have been wiser to remain silent. The House returns on 19 April by which time we may know if the police intend to add to the fines already issued. Next week will be interesting.

MayBee70 Thu 14-Apr-22 16:03:04

I’d forgotten about the Johnson government getting rid of the admirable Dominic Grieve as well….

Dinahmo Thu 14-Apr-22 19:30:01

varian

Is there not something fundamentally wrong with a system that allows a few hundred Tory MPs, elected by an undemocratic FPTP voting system to chose our PM?

Surely the party leader was chosen by the members 71% of whom are male and 56% aged over 55. If I remember rightly at the time of the last leadership contest the membership was around 164,000.

Thus, Johnson as leader at the last GE automatically becomes PM and stays until he either loses an election or is removed from his job by the MPs

Dinahmo Thu 14-Apr-22 19:31:56

How about A Loathsome? She's been quite quiet of late.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 14-Apr-22 20:00:36

I believe all members of the party have a vote.
Don’t mention the ghastly Leadsom.

Iam64 Thu 14-Apr-22 21:35:05

Tom Tughendhat is the one I could welcome

LauraNorderr Thu 14-Apr-22 21:39:42

David Davis?

DaisyAnne Thu 14-Apr-22 22:05:19

Germanshepherdsmum

I believe all members of the party have a vote.
Don’t mention the ghastly Leadsom.

After the MPs have whittled them down to two GSM.

Lucca Thu 14-Apr-22 22:07:47

Yes .he seems to,have some integrity.

Lucca Thu 14-Apr-22 22:08:29

Sorry I was referring to Tom Tugendhat.

TopsyIrene06 Fri 15-Apr-22 07:23:12

David Gauke was another one who would have been great but he lost his seat like the eminently sensible and knowledgeable Dominic Grieve.

Katie59 Fri 15-Apr-22 09:02:39

LauraNorderr

David Davis?

Definitely not he was appalling in the Brexit controversy, then jumped ship.

Nannan2 Sun 17-Apr-22 11:21:05

Coastpath- i see what you mean!?