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MaizieD Thu 14-Apr-22 10:36:00

We seem to have neglected actual war news from Ukraine for a while, though thanks to twitter and an excellent series of mumsnet threads I'm keeping up, more or less.

The good news is, that, from last night, the flagship of the Russian in the Black Sea is conducting a special operation from the bottom of said sea. Apparently Ukraine has very effectively used long range anti ship missiles which seem to have been newly acquired.

This means that Russia will be highly unlikely to attempt to attack Odessa from the sea, which will make Ukranian defence of the port much easier.

It's also a humiliation for Russia, which actually announced that the ship was 'on fire', apparently an unusual move in this 'special operation'.

Will it further dent Putin's image as a 'strong' leader and make regime change more likely?

Will it provoke him to further atrocities?

Also being said is that two thirds of the money supposed to be for maintaining Russia's navy has disappeared into private pockets. The same was said earlier about the army's supply and maintenance budget.

maddyone Wed 27-Apr-22 09:15:23

The full name is Conservatives, but often shortened to Tories. Hope that helps.

Callistemon21 Wed 27-Apr-22 10:54:17

There was talk from one US official that the Allies could take the arms further into Ukraine so the troops didn't have to come so far back to pick them up and then return to whole way to the front line but I haven't heard that repeated

It sounds like a good idea but the problem there is that it could be interpreted differently by Putin.

Namsnanny Wed 27-Apr-22 11:48:29

There are 5-7 geographical historical places that Russia has been invaded in the past. The Ukraine is one. Chechnya is another.
Poland and Sweden are two others.
Some experts are afraid if Putin isnt stopped he will move against Nato countries. Which will inevitable escalate.
If Russia can be contained and financially and physically exhausted, (troops and weapons are.difficult to replace), in the Ukraine for long enough, Putin will be too weak to follow his own plan.
Who knows if this is a correct analysis of the war? But it's one that makes sense of his position to me.

maddyone Wed 27-Apr-22 12:45:09

I am so very afraid of this war escalating.

Namsnanny Wed 27-Apr-22 13:50:50

Me too maddyone hence I'm in favour of supplying Ukraine with anything and everything they need.
It will obviously be expensive for everybody, but what choice is there?

Callistemon21 Wed 27-Apr-22 15:26:47

maddyone

I am so very afraid of this war escalating.

Me too, maddyone

MaizieD Mon 02-May-22 18:05:27

RE 'escalation'. There's an interesting thread here from twitter

According to his bio, O'Brien is :

Professor of Strategic Studies, University St Andrews, Author: How the War was Won, and Second Most Powerful Man in the World. Editor in Chief, War in History

Phillips P. OBrien@PhillipsPOBrien
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The increase of Ukrainian attacks in Russia, now evident, show actually how reluctant the Russian government is to fully mobilise or escalate up the NBC chain. There was lots of talk early in the war about the Russians staging a false flag operation to justify escalation

The idea was they would need an incident. Well, that seems now unnecessary. The Ukrainians are blowing up vital facilities in a large Russian more than 350k people (Belogorod)

Heck the Belgorod Governor is openly discussing these attacks.

Quote Tweet
The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
· May 1
⚡️Governor says fire erupted at military facility in Russia's Belgorod Oblast.

One person was injured, regional Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said on May 1. Russia has accused Ukraine of shelling its neighboring regions, with Ukraine neither denying nor confirming this.

Phillips P. OBrien@PhillipsPOBrien
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7h
Putin doesn’t need a false flag, the Ukrainians are providing him with an enormous, explosive banner, should he want to use it. But as of now he doesn’t want to. And that is interesting.