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Yes corruption seems as bad as it is in the U.K. government.

There's a video about some volunteers working over there on YouTube:
youtu.be/0Vv30JAFcx4

Thank youMaizieD . I am relieved to hear that the ship ‘caught fire’, I hope it sinks setting off all the mines that have been planted. Moreover, it is heart lifting that supplies have finally reached the surrounded Ukrainians in Mariupol.
I just hope v.p. will be overthrown before even more atrocities are committed and new free elections …

Whitewavemark2

Yes corruption seems as bad as it is in the U.K. government.

It's to be hoped that it hasn't spread to our armed forces, as it seems to have done in Russia

The ship has actually sunk, mokryna. It apparently had a crew of 500. Turkey said they had managed to rescue 54 of them amid very high seas. It's to be hopped that more have managed to escape. The poor souls are being manipulated to feed one man's ego. Doing what they have been ordered to do and would be punished for disobeying.

I feel very much in sympathy with this mumsnet poster's comment:

Fuck me, all this horror for some wee-willied He-Man's pointless sense of pride.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4527642-Ukraine-Invasion-Part-20?pg=20

'hopped'

Oh, the horrors of the 'doubling rule'.and fat fingers

hoped

I think the Turkish sailors were very brave to rescue the Russians in high seas, as there were Russian laid mines to navigate. I hope the Turkish sailors are able to talk to the people they saved.

According to Sky News President Putin is threatening to use nuclear missiles if Sweden and Finland join NATO…

No he's not.

Read it again.

volver

No he's not.

Read it again.

I have, I am not stupid whatever you might be implying.

Russia threatens Nuclear escalation

By stationing nuclear weapons near the Baltic States.

Read it again.

He's been threatening this for practically the whole of the war special operation.

He could give the order but actually carrying it out depends on a number of people who might not be too keen to see their country destroyed and their families die in the inevitable retaliation. That's what MAD is all about.

I was very worried about it earlier, but not so much now. I think that the most he would do is deploy some along the borders.

Also, one wonders how far corruption in the forces supply and maintenance chain has reached. Why bother with the upkeep of weaponry which has been tacitly acknowledged (MAD) to be unlikely ever to be used?

Moscow has said it will be forced to strengthen its defences in the Baltic if Finland and Sweden join Nato, including by deploying nuclear weapons, as the war in Ukraine entered its seventh week.

Moscow has said it will be forced to strengthen its defences in the Baltic if Finland and Sweden join Nato, including by deploying nuclear weapons, as the war in Ukraine entered its seventh week. [Source: Guardian, today]

I hope they let them join immediately. Russian troups diverted to strengthen defences in the Baltic will then be spread even more thinly in Ukraine.

It's also not as if we expect Putin to hold back on nuclear if he loses the plot completely, so no change there.

I do think, like Maizie, that he would be stopped.

I saw that this had happened on the news earlier today, and I believe it is very good news Maizie so thank you for starting a new thread about it. I find myself drawn to news programmes at the moment in order to follow the latest developments in Ukraine. It’s not good for me as sometimes I become quite upset about it, but I feel compelled to keep up with it.

I’ve just gone back and read the thread thoroughly, having added my comment quickly when I saw the thread. It’s not good news that many Russian sailors have drowned, assuming that’s true. Loss of life is never good news. However I’m still pleased that the Ukrainians have managed to render the ship unusable, probably sunk.
War is so cruel. I’m so very saddened by this conflict with all its horrors.

GrannyGravy13

volver

No he's not.

Read it again.

I have, I am not stupid whatever you might be implying.

^Russia threatens Nuclear escalation^

Sorry GG13, I certainly didn't intend to imply you were stupid.

The press will use all manner of misleading headlines to generate clicks and draw in the audience.

volver

By stationing nuclear weapons near the Baltic States.

Read it again.

Kaliningrad maybe?

No problem volver

What haunts me and I can't get it out of my head, are the reports of the rapes, mutilation and murder of women.
Nothing has changed since the Fall of Troy.

This is the ship that was sunk. Even more impressive when you see it.

There are some very powerful images on the internet of women in Tallin outside of the Russian Embassy, protesting against the brutal rape and torture of Ukrainian women and children.

They have bags over their heads, their hands are bound behind their backs their lower garments are removed apart from some wearing pants, they all have red dye running down their legs.

They were so quiet and standing with dignity something that was an option for the victims in Ukraine.

eazybee me too. Underling male traits will out. Civilisation seems to be a very thin insulation layer in war times.

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