Tories accuse Angela Raynor of "doing a Basic Instinct"

It's up to the men to change their behaviour not the women.
Women should wear whatever they want to without having to think about how they appear to men. ?

AGAA4

It's up to the men to change their behaviour not the women.
Women should wear whatever they want to without having to think about how they appear to men. ?

Or incurring censure from other women...

That too.

You will note that despite saying a lot of negative things about the woman, the didn't say how she cared for her mother, or got qualifications in care work and sign language from college... while looking after her young son, Ryan. Nasty.

Well said Allsorts- I, too, used to wear tiny mini skirts - but in my job as a teacher, I would not have deemed it appropriate to wear these in a serious job. None of the men I worked with, turned up in tight shorts or shirts either. It is absurd to say that the way you dress or the way you behave - either male or female- does not or should not attract or deter, the opposite sex. Of course it does.

montymops

Well said Allsorts- I, too, used to wear tiny mini skirts - but in my job as a teacher, I would not have deemed it appropriate to wear these in a serious job. None of the men I worked with, turned up in tight shorts or shirts either. It is absurd to say that the way you dress or the way you behave - either male or female- does not or should not attract or deter, the opposite sex. Of course it does.

But Angela Rayner does not wear ‘tiny mini skirts’ does she? She wears skirts that are on, or just above her knees, the same as most working women who don’t want to look like frumps do.

Why did you wear tiny mini skirts?
Any reason?

Frumpy?
Midi and midaxi skirts for work are really in this season. ?

Another reason to like Rayner.
A work horse rather than a clothes one.

Joseanne

Frumpy?
Midi and midaxi skirts for work are really in this season. ?

I know, but they are not as flattering as a knee length or just above dress or skirt for work though, unless you’re under 25 and tall and willowy. Ditsy flowers, layered and loose is not a good look for a midlife woman.

What is flattering or not flattering is just a subjective views and views on that differ!

It doesn't matter what she wears, unless we're right back in "Ooh, matron!" days, which people profess to hate so much.

MissAdventure

It doesn't matter what she wears, unless we're right back in "Ooh, matron!" days, which people profess to hate so much.

You’re right MissA, I was just trying to make the point that she was in fact wearing an outfit similar to what millions of working women wear every day rather than some kind of micro mini as implied.

Yes, exactly. Perfectly suitable and serviceable, plus appropriate for her job.
Good on her, I say.

In my opinion this silly story has done wonders for Angela Raynor's credibility as a serious politician.

It hasn't done much for Johnson's (if he ever had any)

Surely Johnson has long since lost any vestige of credibilty?

I sincerely hope so, but it seems there are still people who like him.
They would rather put the blame for his failings onto others.

It is a pity that it seems we have to wait until after the Local Government elections on May 5th to hear just how many times Johnson was found to have broken his own rules, and whether it has been conclusively proved that he lied to parliament and should therefore be obliged to resign.

Miss adventure- I wore mini skirts in the 60’s because Mary Quant made them fashionable - what a relief to wear them with tights instead of those awful suspenders and stockings. I just cannot understand whinging women I’m afraid. Why can’t they deal with it? In Cambridge in the sixties the ratio between the sexes was something like 10 to 1 - if you didn’t want attention- simply say so and walk away. Later I taught in mixed and in boys only schools and the same thing applied. I honestly do not understand women today. My daughter and daughters in law are all high powered and perfectly able to take on rubbish from men. They get on really well with men.

I have worked in male dominated settings all my life, and looking back I can remember incidents of sexist or misogynistic discrimination. But the fact that we accepted it in the 1960s or 70s does not make it all right. Monty

I am glad that your daughters and daughters in law can shrug off whatever rubbish comes in their direction. Good for them. But it looks as if the battle is not yet won.

montymops

Miss adventure- I wore mini skirts in the 60’s because Mary Quant made them fashionable - what a relief to wear them with tights instead of those awful suspenders and stockings. I just cannot understand whinging women I’m afraid. Why can’t they deal with it? In Cambridge in the sixties the ratio between the sexes was something like 10 to 1 - if you didn’t want attention- simply say so and walk away. Later I taught in mixed and in boys only schools and the same thing applied. I honestly do not understand women today. My daughter and daughters in law are all high powered and perfectly able to take on rubbish from men. They get on really well with men.

What whinging women? What are they supposed to be dealing with? Which ‘women today’

I don’t understand your comments in the context of the shocking misogyny directed at the deputy leader of the Labour Party

Iam64

montymops

Miss adventure- I wore mini skirts in the 60’s because Mary Quant made them fashionable - what a relief to wear them with tights instead of those awful suspenders and stockings. I just cannot understand whinging women I’m afraid. Why can’t they deal with it? In Cambridge in the sixties the ratio between the sexes was something like 10 to 1 - if you didn’t want attention- simply say so and walk away. Later I taught in mixed and in boys only schools and the same thing applied. I honestly do not understand women today. My daughter and daughters in law are all high powered and perfectly able to take on rubbish from men. They get on really well with men.

What whinging women? What are they supposed to be dealing with? Which ‘women today’

I don’t understand your comments in the context of the shocking misogyny directed at the deputy leader of the Labour Party

I'm sure Angela Rayner is perfectly capable of defending herself although she was concerned that her children might read this online and rightly so.

She shouldn't have to. This is 2022 although some may not have realised this.

I thought it was a man who was whingeing? Someone from the MoS?

What kind of clothes do the women in your family wear, Monty.
Is it their clothes that cause them rubbish from men?

Obviously I know what I am talking about. It is you who doesn't get my meaning. Perhaps you need someone to explain to you. I've got what I want out of my 'feminine' life so I must be doing something right. Get a life ladies!!!!! There's more to having a happy fulfilled life than just burning your bra or showing your crutch to the Prime Minister.!