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Tories accuse Angela Raynor of "doing a Basic Instinct"

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Nannee49 Sun 24-Apr-22 10:03:34

Totally outrageous, misogynistic so called news item in the dreaded DM today.

Senior Tories have accused Angela Raynor of distracting our buffoon Prime Minister by crossing and uncrossing her legs - à la Sharon Stone - in Prime Minister's question time.

Can they sink any lower???

Yet another disgusting example of the true mind sets of the guffawing Tories. They're a disgrace yet again.

Grandma70s Mon 25-Apr-22 14:58:56

I don’t think she has a degree, has she? (Someone said she had.)

I admire her for professing so far in life from such a doubtful start, but I have to admit she makes me cringe too. I think the lack of education does show, and she lacks social graces, which do matter in a politician. I know some of the ostensibly well -educated ones, not least the PM, are utter oafs, but on the whole I prefer well-educated people to be in charge.

Grandma70s Mon 25-Apr-22 15:02:27

Progressing, not professing, obviously.

I should add that my politics are left-leaning, as they say. I have never voted Tory.

GillianP888 Mon 25-Apr-22 15:08:06

Have you seen Damian Furniss' description of his encounter with Johnson in 1984? Furniss had come to Balliol for an interview and was quite daunted by this. As you might expect, our Prime Minister To Be did his best to reassure him and put him at ease.

“I was a rural working-class kid with a stammer from a state school which hadn’t prepared me for the experience,” Furniss would recall in 2019.

“My session with the dons was scheduled for first thing after breakfast, meaning I was staying the night and had an evening to kill in the college bar. Johnson was propping up the bar with his coterie of acolytes whose only apparent role in life was to laugh at his jokes. Three years older than me … you’d have expected him to play the ambassador role, welcoming an aspiring member of his college … Instead, his piss-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my father’s work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for. His only motivation was to amuse his posh boy mates.”

I'm not sure what's sadder. The fact that Johnson behaved like that or the fact that thousands of working class people appear to be blind to his faults, and those of the people he's surrounded himself with.

Mcbab Mon 25-Apr-22 15:13:50

Yet another ‘anonymous source’ Quotes from anonymous sources should not be treated as news but as gossip. This was commented on extensively when it happened so why it should be bought up again now is a mystery. Anything to do with the upcoming elections perhaps ?

Coco51 Mon 25-Apr-22 15:14:10

Whitewavemark2

This is as good a time as any to remind everyone

Love it!

Curlywhirly Mon 25-Apr-22 15:16:01

MissAdventure

That is probably why she flashes her fanny instead, then.

Oh, that tickled me up MissAdventure ???

Joseanne Mon 25-Apr-22 15:16:31

On the education front, I am sure AR does not have a degree, not that everything should be measured by academic achievement. Although she did not have a privileged upbringing and never went to public school or university, she certainly has a decent enough brain and can clearly see the mess Boris is making. Is she future PM material? I don't think so.

Sorry, but this sort of statement irritates me. Lets face it - you don't necessarily need to have brains to attend many public schools , do you? Just the required money, correct bloodline and arrogance!

FannyCornforth Mon 25-Apr-22 15:21:12

Rayner must have worked damn hard to get where she is.
As I said up thread; she has done ‘everything backwards and in high heels’ (or Doc Martens)

growstuff Mon 25-Apr-22 15:21:53

Why does it irritate you? It's not true that you don't need brains for some of the better public schools, but it certainly is true in other cases. I've tutored some of them. Entitled and planks are just two words which occur to me.

growstuff Mon 25-Apr-22 15:25:49

I don't think Rayner is PM material.

However, in addition to intelligence, MPs need passion and beliefs and Rayner has both in bucket loads.

A few years ago, I didn't think much of her, but she's gone up in my estimation.

volver Mon 25-Apr-22 15:28:40

What is "PM Material"?

I dare say many people thought a former comedian wasn't "President Material" but that's worked out OK.

Curlywhirly Mon 25-Apr-22 15:32:33

Richard Branson dropped out of school at 16, has no degree...... just saying.

Joseanne Mon 25-Apr-22 15:39:11

growstuff

Why does it irritate you? It's not true that you don't need brains for some of the better public schools, but it certainly is true in other cases. I've tutored some of them. Entitled and planks are just two words which occur to me.

With respect growstuff you've probably tutored pupils from one town, in one subject only, not had your own children in the private system, and don't regularly visit independent schools nationwide. Most of the children do not fit the above description.
But I can also speak about how hard it is to be successful when like AR you come from behind, having attended an inner London comprehensive myself.

Joseanne Mon 25-Apr-22 15:42:15

Volver I think AR might be ideal PM material on the domestic front. I hesitate though as to whether she would be on the world stage.

volver Mon 25-Apr-22 15:52:20

Oh dear. Might they think her too common?

I don't know if she'd be any good or not, but I would rather see her talking to Macron than the buffoon we've currently got doing it.

katy1950 Mon 25-Apr-22 15:59:49

The mps are like a load of silly school children it's so embarrassing wouldn't it be great if they showed the electorate some respect and got on with the job fir a change

Allsorts Mon 25-Apr-22 16:06:27

Yes Volver, they would. You can’t go flying off the handle and not be a good speaker as PM, just fact. Could you see her on age world stage? Negotiating. Just because you don’t care for Boris, understandable, you can’t have someone like her. I don’t deny she comes from the school of hard knocks but she is far from a world player.

4allweknow Mon 25-Apr-22 16:07:47

For those who are against paying for an education I would like to point out not all who attend private school are from Tory minded backgrounds. My GS is going to private school in September as the state school system has failed him. Years of battles with systems and Headteachers have pushed the whole family to pool resources for funding to give GS opportunity to flourish.

StoneofDestiny Mon 25-Apr-22 16:09:02

What is "PM Material"?

Currently you just need to be a philanderer, shagaholic, prolific liar, be incoherent, entitled and a lawbreaker.

MissAdventure Mon 25-Apr-22 16:09:14

Johnson is a good speaker? grin

Dickens Mon 25-Apr-22 16:09:21

“My session with the dons was scheduled for first thing after breakfast, meaning I was staying the night and had an evening to kill in the college bar. Johnson was propping up the bar with his coterie of acolytes whose only apparent role in life was to laugh at his jokes. Three years older than me … you’d have expected him to play the ambassador role, welcoming an aspiring member of his college … Instead, his piss-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my father’s work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for. His only motivation was to amuse his posh boy mates.”

Do you know what is so maddening about this? Individuals like Johnson, Rees-Mogg, etc, couldn't function in a world without farm workers, garage proprietors, and all the other workers who keep the wheels oiled and the infrastructure running.

If you were cast, shipwrecked on a desert island, or isolated for any other reason from civilisation - who would you rather be marooned with? Those that know how to sow seeds, understand mechanics, can build things from bits of wood... have practical brains and hands? Or an over-privileged elite who has probably never done a day's real work in his life?

An under-educated working class person can learn, can study, can catch up with his / her education throughout their whole lives. Do people like Johnson ever attempt to do anything useful for others, or society as a whole.

I remember reading that the novelist, Evelyn Waugh, one of the biggest elite snobs ever, was always stunned into silent admiration whenever he came across a craftsman, be it gardener, carpenter, etc. He had huge respect for an 'art' that he himself was not capable of.

... and frankly, any wealthy individual who has been raised with any decency and proper 'breeding', always treats those who are supposedly inferior to him, with respect. IMO, Johnson is simply an educated oaf with no social skills or graces. There, I've said it.

MissAdventure Mon 25-Apr-22 16:10:33

I'm sure Angela Rayner could raise the barr a little higher than talking about Peppa Pig .

volver Mon 25-Apr-22 16:13:35

4allweknow

For those who are against paying for an education I would like to point out not all who attend private school are from Tory minded backgrounds. My GS is going to private school in September as the state school system has failed him. Years of battles with systems and Headteachers have pushed the whole family to pool resources for funding to give GS opportunity to flourish.

But they are all well off. Their families have enough money from whatever source, to send them to private school. If we had a proper education system your family wouldn't need to think that they have to pay for something we should all get for free.

This is my red line wink

Joseanne Mon 25-Apr-22 16:14:42

volver

Oh dear. Might they think her too common?

I don't know if she'd be any good or not, but I would rather see her talking to Macron than the buffoon we've currently got doing it.

Your words, not mine ,*volver*. Just because I come from the East End I am neither common nor vulgar. And anyway, how much does any politician on the international scene know about provenance and class in this country. It is irrelevant unless you want to dig deeper. I prefer what you see, is what you get.
AR might not actually speak as good French as Boris, but it wouldn't matter because Macron speaks fluent English anyway. Although someone might need to enlighten him that la crasse has nothing to do with the ring left round the bath.

Joseanne Mon 25-Apr-22 16:17:35

But they are all well off. Their families have enough money from whatever source, to send them to private school.
They are not ALL well off, neither are their families.