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Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Jun-22 10:32:53

It seems that the Home Secretary is willing to send people who having spent their recent lives escaping war are now to find themselves forcibly transported to a country now at war with its neighbour.

What is the matter with Patel?

growstuff Tue 14-Jun-22 22:29:07

Callistemon21

Urmstongran

What's the point of a Supreme Court that is evidently not supreme?

This is beyond embarrassing for the government.

They have embarrassed themselves.

Time for some resignations?

Don't hold your breath! They have no shame.

Curlywhirly Tue 14-Jun-22 22:38:27

NotSpaghetti

The flight is off for now. The ECHR has intervened at last.
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Good. Just hope that Johnson now doesn't think about changing our membership of the ECHR, which would be ironic, seeing as apparently we initially helped to draft the legislation.

MaizieD Tue 14-Jun-22 22:47:07

Curlywhirly

NotSpaghetti

The flight is off for now. The ECHR has intervened at last.
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Good. Just hope that Johnson now doesn't think about changing our membership of the ECHR, which would be ironic, seeing as apparently we initially helped to draft the legislation.

And if he withdraws the UK from the ECHR (which he is threatening to do), as I said earlier, the Good Friday Agreement goes belly up. That'll be the USA as well as the EU definitely not on our side.

Can the greased piglet get out of this one?

But who cares? We got bl**dy Brexit, didn't we?

Curlywhirly Tue 14-Jun-22 22:56:28

On Newsnight just, Rwandan Government official just confirmed that the Rwandans that we will be accepting here (as part of the deal our Government has negotiated) are vulnerable persons who need care. Out of the frying pan into the fire me thinks.

MawtheMerrier Tue 14-Jun-22 23:11:13

There was a certain irony which will not have escaped anybody whose holiday was cancelled/curtailed/ruined by cancelled flights over the recent half term holiday.
It seems the only way be sure of getting on a plane was to be deported to Rwanda - and not even that now!

Callistemon21 Tue 14-Jun-22 23:13:32

On Newsnight just, Rwandan Government official just confirmed that the Rwandans that we will be accepting here (as part of the deal our Government has negotiated) are vulnerable persons who need care.

Am I missing something vital here?

confused

MawtheMerrier Tue 14-Jun-22 23:16:55

Or this

Callistemon21 Tue 14-Jun-22 23:18:46

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ixion Tue 14-Jun-22 23:32:39

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Curlywhirly Tue 14-Jun-22 23:36:04

I know Callistemon - what's the point of sending our asylum seekers/refugees to Rwanda, if we are going to accept Rwandans in return? And, ones that need care and are vulnerable to boot? Just how in God's name is this seen as a solution to our immigration problems?
Beggars belief!

Shinamae Tue 14-Jun-22 23:38:19

My belief in this government is continually beggered!

growstuff Tue 14-Jun-22 23:45:30

Callistemon21

^On Newsnight just, Rwandan Government official just confirmed that the Rwandans that we will be accepting here (as part of the deal our Government has negotiated) are vulnerable persons who need care^.

Am I missing something vital here?

confused

Nope!

You're just sane in a mad world! hmm

Zonne Wed 15-Jun-22 00:17:13

I’m old enough to remember when ‘pushback’ (forcing the boats to return to France) was government policy, and Johnson insisted it was legal, feasible and definitely going to happen.

Today, that policy was officially (and very quietly) scrapped.

vegansrock Wed 15-Jun-22 05:25:52

This government’s form is to change laws they don’t like / want to break , so that will be their next move no doubt.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 05:27:04

It will be too much to ask for the government to now approach Europe with a comprehensive plan that involves all the countries cooperating in dealing with the tide of human misery which will continue into the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile at the very least, devise safe routes and working with the courts set up a competent system that deals with the applicants swiftly and fairly.

They aren’t up to it.

What is clear, that everyone wants this issue dealt with properly. Any plan seems to get reasonable support until it is looked into and people begin to understand what will happen to the applicants and support then begins to fall away because people are generally (clearly not all, as we can see on here) humane and empathetic towards fellow human beings who have suffered so much. There is undoubtedly although denied, an element of racial hatred mixed in with this as well, as we don’t get the same strong reaction to applicants from Ukraine.

As with the other flagship policy towards NI, this policy breaks international law. They are long standing agreements to which the U.K. was involved in setting up and an important signatory.

That is what we once were. This government is dragging us firmly into the gutter, I hope that when it goes we can recover.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 07:16:42

As the European Court of Human Rights has just ruled.

There is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker.

Of course the government knows this, but like every toddler is intent on pushing the boundaries.

It is time that the adults in the country took charge.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 07:19:36

Johnson wants the U.K. to be the second country to pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights. The other country is Russia and they did this because of the Ukraine war. Doesn't this make you proud to be British?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 07:23:32

Just so that anyone gets their knickers in a twist over Brexit etc.

“The ECHR is NOT an EU court. It's a fully independent court which was set up after WWII - by the British with British lawyers and judges at Winston Churchill's behest to protect citizens from cruel and inhumane treatments by despotic governments within continental Europe.”

volver Wed 15-Jun-22 07:24:53

Wasn't Johnson's grandfather involved in the ECHR?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 07:31:54

I read something about him not long ago but buggered if I can remember what it was about.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 07:36:07

I assume we signed a contract with the Rwanda dictatorship?

So now I suppose we must keep to our part of the bargain and welcome 60+ vulnerable asylum seekers from Rwanda.

Anyone seen the whizzy hotel that we are going to keep them in with restaurants in-house shop and gym similar to what our exported trafficked humans are going to enjoy in Rwanda?

Oldnproud Wed 15-Jun-22 08:06:50

When I read this, I thought, 'oh, the irony'!

Before Brexit, the UK was part of the Dublin III regulation arrangements. This had previously enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU member states without considering their asylum claims.
lordslibrary.parliament.uk/migrants-arriving-in-the-uk-by-boat/

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jun-22 08:13:14

Another Brexit benefit.

That is why the numbers have risen so much. We no longer cooperate with France. It simply shows how much France was previously preventing many asylum seekers from coming across the channel.

Oldnproud Wed 15-Jun-22 08:14:24

BTW, those who insist on referring to all migrants crossing the channel in small boats as 'illegal immigrants' might do well to read the first section of that report.

Oldnproud Wed 15-Jun-22 08:15:25

Whitewavemark2

Another Brexit benefit.

That is why the numbers have risen so much. We no longer cooperate with France. It simply shows how much France was previously preventing many asylum seekers from coming across the channel.

My thoughts exactly, Whitehaven.