Rwanda

B****y autocorrect. Sorry, Whitewave.
(It just changed it again, but at least I noticed this time!)

I had no idea that we were taking vulnerable Rwandans, in need of care, in exchange. Is that definitely the case?

Germanshepherdsmum

I had no idea that we were taking vulnerable Rwandans, in need of care, in exchange. Is that definitely the case?

Yes Patel has signed up to it.n

Urmstongran

What's the point of a Supreme Court that is evidently not supreme?

This is beyond embarrassing for the government.

Perhaps you think Churchill got it wrong when we set up the European Court of Human Rights Urmstongran. You usually think that no one has the right to judge this government if I remember rightly - although I could have misunderstood.

As the UCHR was set up to work for individuals against extremes such as fascism, I would rather like to keep the UK's membership of it, particularly when I review current times.

Surely if according to Human Rights Lawyers/Laws/Courts (just in case I missed someone out) it has been found to be illegal to fly refugees to Rwanda surely it’s illegal for Rwanda to fly refugees in need of care (as they have been described) to the U.K.

The Rwanda - U.K. -Rwanda agreement should be bilaterally over.

I get what you’re all saying about the ECHR but my main point was, why do we bother with a Supreme Court here then if it’s not supreme? Seems little point in it really if there’s another court of appeal up the road. Just keep going lawyers (at great cost to the taxpayers will this ever end?) till you get what you want comes to mind.

GrannyGravy13

Surely if according to Human Rights Lawyers/Laws/Courts (just in case I missed someone out) it has been found to be illegal to fly refugees to Rwanda surely it’s illegal for Rwanda to fly refugees in need of care (as they have been described) to the U.K.

The Rwanda - U.K. -Rwanda agreement should be bilaterally over.

We have a PM and Home Secretary that don’t adhere to either domestic or international law.

GrannyGravy13

Surely if according to Human Rights Lawyers/Laws/Courts (just in case I missed someone out) it has been found to be illegal to fly refugees to Rwanda surely it’s illegal for Rwanda to fly refugees in need of care (as they have been described) to the U.K.

The Rwanda - U.K. -Rwanda agreement should be bilaterally over.

They are not a signatory to any HRA ???

It is a nasty dictatorship so torture and death are not off limits.

Urmstongran

I get what you’re all saying about the ECHR but my main point was, why do we bother with a Supreme Court here then if it’s not supreme? Seems little point in it really if there’s another court of appeal up the road. Just keep going lawyers (at great cost to the taxpayers will this ever end?) till you get what you want comes to mind.

I think it sends out a message that no Country is an Island where Human Rights are concerned, unless of course it’s Russia, North Korea, China, some African States etc who have no regard for life, limb or whatever anyone else thinks.

Time to leave the ECHR that's what MPs are saying and I agree. The Supreme Court rules in the UK.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Surely if according to Human Rights Lawyers/Laws/Courts (just in case I missed someone out) it has been found to be illegal to fly refugees to Rwanda surely it’s illegal for Rwanda to fly refugees in need of care (as they have been described) to the U.K.

The Rwanda - U.K. -Rwanda agreement should be bilaterally over.

They are not a signatory to any HRA ???

It is a nasty dictatorship so torture and death are not off limits.

Rwanda signed an agreement with U.K. to swop humans that agreement has been found to be illegal, end of agreement.

Urmstongran

I get what you’re all saying about the ECHR but my main point was, why do we bother with a Supreme Court here then if it’s not supreme? Seems little point in it really if there’s another court of appeal up the road. Just keep going lawyers (at great cost to the taxpayers will this ever end?) till you get what you want comes to mind.

The ECHR was set up in order to protect citizens from the extremes of government.

It is only used by citizens in extremis. The point of it is that it sits outside of any signature country. Lawyers and governments have been involved in making the law by which it sits and judges its cases.

Something for you to chew on

Lee Anderson MP

Waking Up To This ?

There will be a small section of society including lefty lawyers, Labour MPs and greedy over paid Human Rights charity executives who are sniggering right now over this judgement.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) prevented the flight from departing, after efforts in U.K. courts were exhausted.

The ECHR’s role in U.K. law needs looking at urgently!

I am meeting the Home Affairs Policy Committee today to see where we go from here.

Personally I would ignore the ruling and send the flights based on the decisions made by our own courts.

This is effectively a war now between right and wrong. I know in my heart of hearts I am on the right side of the argument here and this is a fight we must win.

Time to scrap the ECHR completely.

#gutted
#furious
#readyforthebattle
#wemustwin

Its a nasty dictatorship so torture and death are not off limits

Sounds like a description of the USA and Guantanamo Bay, Whitewavemark2

Every country in Europe is signed up although Russia was recently expelled from the ECHR because of its behaviour in Ukraine.

GrannyGravy13

^Its a nasty dictatorship so torture and death are not off limits^

Sounds like a description of the USA and Guantanamo Bay, Whitewavemark2

USA is not a dictatorship so I assume it carries these things out with the consent of its populace.

But I take your point.

The ECHR was set up by world leaders, including Churchill, after WW2, to ensure that atrocities, such as the Holocaust, couldn't happen again.

Human Rights Protection was enshrined in International Law, so that governments couldn't just do as they might choose to, if it was without due regard to human rights.

It seems the ECHR stopped this flight, primarily, because we have no mechanism to return those already sent to Rwanda, if our Judicial `Review, due at the end of July, deems it illegal.

So, future flights, or not, will have to wait until after that.

Then, the whole thing should be settled, legally, once and for all.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Its a nasty dictatorship so torture and death are not off limits

Sounds like a description of the USA and Guantanamo Bay, Whitewavemark2

USA is not a dictatorship so I assume it carries these things out with the consent of its populace.

But I take your point.

I just hope that a solution can be found, these people are I assume now in detention centre’s for the foreseeable future.

Life is precious and the only gains are yet again going to be the people traffickers who must be laughing all the way to the bank.????

Maudi

Something for you to chew on

Lee Anderson MP

Waking Up To This ?

There will be a small section of society including lefty lawyers, Labour MPs and greedy over paid Human Rights charity executives who are sniggering right now over this judgement.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) prevented the flight from departing, after efforts in U.K. courts were exhausted.

The ECHR’s role in U.K. law needs looking at urgently!

I am meeting the Home Affairs Policy Committee today to see where we go from here.

Personally I would ignore the ruling and send the flights based on the decisions made by our own courts.

This is effectively a war now between right and wrong. I know in my heart of hearts I am on the right side of the argument here and this is a fight we must win.

Time to scrap the ECHR completely.

#gutted
#furious
#readyforthebattle
#wemustwin

Maudi, those of us with half a brain could chew him up and spit him out. To Russia probably, since he thinks that we should be modelling our legal system on theirs.

Scrap the ECHR completely? I have a name for people who think that but you'd get all indignant about name calling.

cough w***er cough

I remember when we were warned a decade ago that this cohort of Conservatives wanted to 'do away' with human rights, it seems it was the case after all. It's a shame it is going to affect so many of you that support it.

has any one mentioned the environmental impact of that massive plane with 7 people on it?

and 7 people, really? I thought it was for the thousands arriving on our Kent beaches every day and yadda yadda yad

It has become crystal clear that those who voted for Brexit didn’t have a clue what they were voting for, and as a result can’t think of a single benefit.

Now they are turning their witless bile on the ECHR.

Spare us the judgement of idiots.

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Denmark have an even more stringent policy towards some refugees than we are attempting. They are trying to send Syrians home, but, meanwhile, are seizing jewellery and assets from them, to "fund" their stay.?

www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/16/denmarks-mismatched-treatment-syrian-and-ukrainian-refugees

Oh, you have a better memory that me Maudi, I don't remember that. I must have touched a nerve.

You've called me sad at least 3 times in the last couple of days though. I'm thinking of starting a spreadsheet.