Rwanda

Volver. Your last post directed at Maudi is rude in the extreme. Disagree as much as you like but resorting to calling someone a w***er is gutter behaviour.

tickingbird Volver was referring to the mp who was cited, not the poster

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Maudi

09:01volver

Didn't you once post a rant about me telling all the lefty posters to ignore me, shame you can't follow your own advise. Name calling and insults how sad some posters are.

Oh “sad” again. Is that all you can come up with ?

tickingbird

*Volver*. Your last post directed at Maudi is rude in the extreme. Disagree as much as you like but resorting to calling someone a w***er is gutter behaviour.

Wrong. She was definitely referring to the Anderson MP person.

Maudi

Time to leave the ECHR that's what MPs are saying and I agree. The Supreme Court rules in the UK.

What about the GFA, does that not matter?

Maudi

09:01volver

Didn't you once post a rant about me telling all the lefty posters to ignore me, shame you can't follow your own advise. Name calling and insults how sad some posters are.

The saddest posters, Maudi are the xenophobic racists who completely ignore the importance of human rights for 'the wrong kind of foreigners' and who are perfectly happy for the UK to become an isolated pariah state without any checks on abuses of government power over individuals and no respect whatsoever for international law. The sort of state that people look on with pity and scorn for their inability to behave in a civilised fashion towards all their citizens.

I really don't understand what such posters want from their lives and their governments but their attitudes sicken me beyond belief.

Whitewavemark2

Maudi

Time to leave the ECHR that's what MPs are saying and I agree. The Supreme Court rules in the UK.

What about the GFA, does that not matter?

Nothing matters to these people.

tickingbird

*Volver*. Your last post directed at Maudi is rude in the extreme. Disagree as much as you like but resorting to calling someone a w***er is gutter behaviour.

Thank you for that illuminating contribution to the debate, tickingbird

Do you patrol the threads regularly looking for posters to tell off for breaking your posting rules?

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

JaneJudge

I remember when we were warned a decade ago that this cohort of Conservatives wanted to 'do away' with human rights, it seems it was the case after all. It's a shame it is going to affect so many of you that support it.

The problem is good people cannot imagine the depths those with extreme views will go to or tolerate. We can see Lee Anderson is, to say the least, one of the extremists when it comes to democracy. So I repeat what I have quoted before, "if you cannot imagine it, you cannot believe it". Those who support the likes of Lee Anderson cannot imagine what those views can do to their own lives, so they cannot believe the wickedness of such views. There is no real point talking to them.

What we have to do is work out how Grannies can stand up to this government. This government led by those trying to put in place a system led by a dictator - do you think he will ever go of his own volition? A government that is prepared to rule by force; by changing laws to stop dissent. A government that suppresses opposition and criticism by using propoganda. A government that noticably promotes nationalism and often racism.

It's advocates will continue to make inane and untrue comments, but what can we, often old and sometimes frail, do to stand up to them?

Whitewavemark2

It has become crystal clear that those who voted for Brexit didn’t have a clue what they were voting for, and as a result can’t think of a single benefit.

Now they are turning their witless bile on the ECHR.

Spare us the judgement of idiots.

Good post, Wwmk2?

(I've only just found it

Urmstongran

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

Round up the people traffickers, set up officials outposts for people to apply for asylum, allow them to become working tax payers in their new home countries.

That way they become contributors as opposed to relying on handouts.

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Kandinsky

I can’t believe Volver has just called another poster a wanker in an extremely passive aggressive sly way.

That's because she hasn't. And honest, if you think I'm passive aggressive and sly you haven't been paying attention.

Interesting though.

Take a post that means one thing, pretend it means something else entirely and try to stir up the hatred of the masses.

Modus operandi of so many on the right, these days.

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& I’d have more respect for you if you stopped playing the innocent.

*Maudi is an aggressor Kandinsky. Have you read her posts?

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

The ECHR stopped this flight, primarily, because we have no mechanism to return those already sent to Rwanda, if our Judicial `Review, due at the end of July, deems it illegal. - they wanted to be sure we had a mechanism in place, in case we were found to be doing things illegally. The obvious thing to do is simply set up such a mechanism or wait till we know if we are or aren't acting illegally - after all that will be decided in a few weeks.

You probably know that Denmark has a return mechanism already.

No need to leave the ECHR, even if you support the Rwanda policy.

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

I do not want an open door policy either Urmstongran

Daesh might be keeping a low profile, but they are still around.

By processing people in refugee camps it might be possible to ^weed out^those with potential to do U.K. or any other Western Nation harm, and welcome those who are fleeing in fear of their lives.

Volver We’re all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.

I might occasionally look at the stars but not from the gutter. Obviously you speak from your own perspective,

I'm not rising to any more on this.

Thanks for the support, those who gave it.

As Michelle Obama said, "When they go low, we go high." Unfortunately some people have entrenched opinions Volver and will never see the other side.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

Round up the people traffickers, set up officials outposts for people to apply for asylum, allow them to become working tax payers in their new home countries.

That way they become contributors as opposed to relying on handouts.

Granny, if only we would do something like this. Asylum seekers want to work and become part of the success of their new country. They have shown they have grit and determination to make this transition and will probably be an asset here rather than a drain - if we just let them work as you say.
WHY is Patel so determined to not introduce application "hubs" outside the UK?
Wd would also benefit from more staff dealing with the asylum seekers we have in limbo in the UK. Make the process quicker, re-instate the "return" deals with Europe. Be fair.