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Kandinsky

& I’d have more respect for you if you stopped playing the innocent.

That’s because she is innocent. She did notcall another poster that word, she called Lee Anderson it. As has been pointed out.

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

growstuff

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

PS That was in reply to DaisyAnne.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

A tiny minority of people walking down your street now wish you (or somebody else) harm.

I do think that the thought of a terror attack is uppermost in a proportion of the population, people in Manchester, London or anywhere else where there has been a major attack will be that little bit more on their guard

I have been too close for comfort to several IRA bombs in London, I will never use the underground as a friend was on the train that was bombed, it’s just human nature.

Maybe! My daughter lived a few metres away from the stadium and heard it. Her friend worked in A & E in one of the main Manchester hospitals and treated some of the victims, including some who died. I doubt either will forget it. However, her partner is from a Muslim background. His father was born in Sudan and his mother had parents who were born in Yemen. They are capable of being rational and not conflating her partner's background and the attack.

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

One of my step-mothers was Irish, my half brother is half Irish.

My next door neighbours are Muslim and we are very good friends.

I've just been talking on another thread about risks. This is not aimed at GG13 but is a general observation.

People are very bad at identifying risk. The risk of a migrant being a terrorist is tiny. Absolutely tiny. So tiny, that we actually know the names of the people who have carried out terrorist attacks. So if we discriminate against everybody of the same nationality or dare I say it colour, as those terrorists, and say we should fear them or treat them differently because they might be terrorists, then we are being racist.

Our terrorists are largely home grown - so it is even more miniscule.

growstuff

growstuff

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

PS That was in reply to DaisyAnne.

It was an exaggeration to say that Russia was chucked out; they were suspended for "gross and systematic violations of human rights ...".

I do think that some in this country think gross and systematic violations of human rights are okay, as long as it keeps them in power.

However, I would wonder what sort of voter would support that and see it as a reason warrenting a "badge of honour". Sadly, I agree, they probably do exist.

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

Sorry growstuff, I think that may have been part of a previous post and possibly the reverse of how I read it.

Its very clear that growstuff is suggesting the exact opposite.

Sorry, cross post DaisyAnne

I agree with you volver and Whitewavemark2 not sure of the numbers but a sizeable percentage of those who have carried out acts of terrorism on U.K. soil have been home grown

I can empathise with those who have been caught up in terror attacks and understand why they are jumpy in certain situations.

Our friend was early twenties when they were caught in the carriage where the bomb was detonated, it has altered their life completely.

I cannot imagine what it is like to be so desperate that you board a rubber dinghy to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.

Whatever Government’s in power next must seek and implement a humane solution.

The point is that France is offering assistance and undoubtedly so would the EU if they could trust us to keep our word. That isn’t going to happen until the present government is completely gone.

DaisyAnne

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

No, quite the reverse.

People seem to be terrified of anybody who is "Muslim-looking" as a result of terrorist attacks in London and Manchester.

I was wondering if people have the same reaction when they hear any Irish accent. Do they think that everybody is an IRA or loyalist terrorist just because a tiny minority were?

growstuff

DaisyAnne

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

No, quite the reverse.

People seem to be terrified of anybody who is "Muslim-looking" as a result of terrorist attacks in London and Manchester.

I was wondering if people have the same reaction when they hear any Irish accent. Do they think that everybody is an IRA or loyalist terrorist just because a tiny minority were?

growstuuf People did think all Irish may be terrorists at the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. My SiL was working in the UK and had to change her car to a British numberplate as she kept being stopped by the police, her car was even reported when she parked it in public car parks.

Yvette Cooper gave Patel an absolute mauling.

She completely trashed Patels policy, then put forward comprehensive and sensible and LEGAL alternatives.

By the way, has anybody else noticed the ‘power shoulders’ on Priti Patel’s suit at PM Question Time - they are absolutely massive (but she’s still being pasted, they aren’t doing the job).

growstuff I don’t think it’s to do with colour, I think it’s more to do with peoples perceptions and the MSM coverage of the more radical Muslims and their interpretations of the Koran.

The images coming out of Afghanistan, Iran and the stricter Arab States are not conducive to social cohesion.

You know the more I think about it, the less I think this debacle is going to succeed.

As Cooper said

“It is policy by gimmick”

volver

Sorry, cross post DaisyAnne

Very cross. Perhaps you could let others sort out their errors.

Yes Miss.

When I hear people like Yvette Cooper speak, I remind myself that there are decent, calm grown ups in the HoC, and that not all of them are like the toxic cabinet and their more loutish and bonkers backbenchers. Compare and contrast Yvette Cooper and Lee Anderson/Peter Bone.

It rather depends on the aims of the policy. This one, I suspect, was a win-win for the authoritarian racist element of the Tory party (and not just in Parliament): either they got to send some brown people away, and/or they get to attack any courts and lawyers who dare suggest the government obeys the laws it is signed up to as 'anti-democracy', 'lefty interference' etc etc.