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Interesting story about David Buttress the new government Cost of Living Tsar.

www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/14/new-government-cost-of-living-tsar-called-for-boris-johnson-to-resign

In other tweets, Buttress condemned the government’s immigration policies as “awful”, and said in another that “immigration is a driver of productivity growth”.

Also, in light of current hostilities do we need a new title for these roles ditching the tsar - seems somewhat inappropriate.

Casdon

growstuff

DaisyAnne

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

No, quite the reverse.

People seem to be terrified of anybody who is "Muslim-looking" as a result of terrorist attacks in London and Manchester.

I was wondering if people have the same reaction when they hear any Irish accent. Do they think that everybody is an IRA or loyalist terrorist just because a tiny minority were?

growstuuf People did think all Irish may be terrorists at the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. My SiL was working in the UK and had to change her car to a British numberplate as she kept being stopped by the police, her car was even reported when she parked it in public car parks.

OK! I did know that - people were advised not to travel with GB plates in Ireland too.

However, I really don't remember the Irish in general suffering the same kind of racism/xenophobia that Muslims do today.

I was living on Merseyside, where many people have Irish roots and it was (still is) easy enough to travel from Ireland to Liverpool by ferry. Apart from the anti-Catholic bigotry, which had been going on for decades, I honestly don't remember people being frightened of ordinary Irish people or articles in the media with dog-whistle xenophobia of a whole people. The government tried to shut the IRA up with those ridiculous bans on hearing the voices of IRA leaders, but ended up looking stupid. The overwhelming majority of Irish were just normal people, just as the vast majority of people with Muslim roots are.

CaravanSerai

Interesting story about David Buttress the new government Cost of Living Tsar.

www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/14/new-government-cost-of-living-tsar-called-for-boris-johnson-to-resign

In other tweets, Buttress condemned the government’s immigration policies as “awful”, and said in another that “immigration is a driver of productivity growth”.

Also, in light of current hostilities do we need a new title for these roles ditching the tsar - seems somewhat inappropriate.

Buttress' appointment is a prime example of the government showing it couldn't give a stuff about the cost of living.

growstuff

Casdon

growstuff

DaisyAnne

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

No, quite the reverse.

People seem to be terrified of anybody who is "Muslim-looking" as a result of terrorist attacks in London and Manchester.

I was wondering if people have the same reaction when they hear any Irish accent. Do they think that everybody is an IRA or loyalist terrorist just because a tiny minority were?

growstuuf People did think all Irish may be terrorists at the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. My SiL was working in the UK and had to change her car to a British numberplate as she kept being stopped by the police, her car was even reported when she parked it in public car parks.

OK! I did know that - people were advised not to travel with GB plates in Ireland too.

However, I really don't remember the Irish in general suffering the same kind of racism/xenophobia that Muslims do today.

I was living on Merseyside, where many people have Irish roots and it was (still is) easy enough to travel from Ireland to Liverpool by ferry. Apart from the anti-Catholic bigotry, which had been going on for decades, I honestly don't remember people being frightened of ordinary Irish people or articles in the media with dog-whistle xenophobia of a whole people. The government tried to shut the IRA up with those ridiculous bans on hearing the voices of IRA leaders, but ended up looking stupid. The overwhelming majority of Irish were just normal people, just as the vast majority of people with Muslim roots are.

No, I’m sure you’re right, it wasn’t the same level of racism/xenophobia as now, although it was very intimidating for a 22 year old innocent woman at the time.

Whitewavemark2

Yvette Cooper gave Patel an absolute mauling.

She completely trashed Patels policy, then put forward comprehensive and sensible and LEGAL alternatives.

And then Patel rudely says Yvette needs ‘educating’…..

Casdon I'm not disputing that. I'm sure there were individuals caught up in it, who will never forget. Liverpool never had an IRA attack, although Warrington (not that far away) did. I remember being apprehensive when I saw police officers constantly patrolling Lime Street station, which I had to go through every day on my way to school. Everybody knew why they were there. However, I don't remember being frightened of Irish accents in the same way people now say they're frightened of anybody who looks like a Muslim. Nobody tried to stop people getting off the boats from Ireland to Liverpool, although a handful of them probably were terrorists and/or involved with gun and bomb running.

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Yvette Cooper gave Patel an absolute mauling.

She completely trashed Patels policy, then put forward comprehensive and sensible and LEGAL alternatives.

And then Patel rudely says Yvette needs ‘educating’…..

Yvette Cooper's little fingernail is more "educated" than Patel. I don't suppose it fazed Cooper.

NB: Off topic

Yvette Cooper gives me confidence that she can get across a brief. I've noticed this with a few shadow ministers recently. They sound intelligent rather than like children picking a squabble.

At the end of Politics live today they had the Shadow International Development Minister - Preet Gill. She too sounded like a grown-up doing a grown-ups job and very across her subject. She has been Shadow Minister since 2020 but I don't remember seeing her before. I would be glad to see more of these people as, when it comes to voting, we vote for a party, not just one person.

growstuff

Casdon I'm not disputing that. I'm sure there were individuals caught up in it, who will never forget. Liverpool never had an IRA attack, although Warrington (not that far away) did. I remember being apprehensive when I saw police officers constantly patrolling Lime Street station, which I had to go through every day on my way to school. Everybody knew why they were there. However, I don't remember being frightened of Irish accents in the same way people now say they're frightened of anybody who looks like a Muslim. Nobody tried to stop people getting off the boats from Ireland to Liverpool, although a handful of them probably were terrorists and/or involved with gun and bomb running.

It could be down to the prevalence of social media growstuff the the gang fights posted on line are made up of predominantly Asian young men with machetes. ( I will not out links as I do not want to be party to spreading their vile videos)

The publicity over the school teacher going into hiding (and still apparently in hiding with his immediate family) with the very vocal Asian men outside the school

Only this week cinemas have had to remove a film (with a Muslim producer and director) from its chain due to death threats from Asian men protesting outside and forcing their way into the cinemas.

The internet was in its infancy at the end of the troubles it was news, or newspapers.

Our AC (Army) had special number plates on their car whilst in the U.K. at the height of the troubles.

Ref. IRA.
My Irish ex SiL, who taught in a garrison town, was taken in for questioning by the police on the strength of a malicious 'tip off. Not pleasant.

Slightly parallel topic - here's a short film from the UNHCR made with Ukrainian refugees about refugees
t.me/ukrainenowenglish/10819

“Tory MP, Bob Blackman, says the answer is to “speed up and issue thousands of notices”, so that presumably courts cannot cope. Priti Patel agrees.

Take a moment to think about this proposal. That the executive actively tries to overwhelm the judiciary, to bypass due process.”

? some leftie lawyers.

Thank heavens for leftie lawyers. Integrity and brains, something that went missing from the front bench when Johnson became PM

Iam ?

Whitewavemark2

? some leftie lawyers.

This is on the wrong thread?. Sorry to confuse, but it is worth looking at.

Whitewave - it may be good on this thread as well ??

Whitewavemark2

“Tory MP, Bob Blackman, says the answer is to “speed up and issue thousands of notices”, so that presumably courts cannot cope. Priti Patel agrees.

Take a moment to think about this proposal. That the executive actively tries to overwhelm the judiciary, to bypass due process.”

What. when the Home Office has been told to cut its civil service establishment and can barely cope with processing applications now?

How would it manage to 'speed up'?

Unless they intend to not even consider asylum applications; just to arbitrarily place people on deportation lists...

Iam64

Thank heavens for leftie lawyers. Integrity and brains, something that went missing from the front bench when Johnson became PM

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Caoilfhionn Gallagher QC
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Today I met a police officer about death threats I’ve got for being a human rights lawyer.

Today I read the PM’s words criticising lawyers representing asylum seekers.

These things are not unrelated.

This Government is undermining the rule of law, & putting us all at risk.

That’s chilling whitewave
We have a PM whose long standing behaviour demonstrates contempt for the law.

And the millions of pounds being poured into this grossly unethical scheme ..............

I find the whole idea beyond belief. I can understand that a state might have a legitimate right to return a refugee to their own country (there is a whole debate there to be had of course), but to physically force a fellow human being to get onto a flight to a country with a poor human rights record against their wishes? ........ this goes beyond any standards of decency and it is MY country and government who are doing this. And I am powerless............

You aren’t alone lucky girl. It’s shameful.

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That's so racist UG, honestly.

And our borders are fine. It's just Johnson and his ilk who try to tell you otherwise.