Rwanda

biglouis

Why can we not establish centers to investigate these people while they are in France?

Too obvious a solution biglouis.
Then we could offer support and welcome to refugees that need it and filter out the “rapists and murderers” that so many people seem to think want to come here…

MaizieD

^Nobody every answers the question - why do we want to deter these people who could if the proper channels were available benefit our economy given the opportunity?^

Why do you think, RichmondPark?.

Why did all the refugee haters vote leave? Same reason for both... it begins with 'xen...

Your sweeping statement is incorrect.

This leave voter is neither xenophobic or racist and definitely not a refugee hater

MaizieD I am sad to say I think you are right.

Have you noticed how some posters when they haven't got an answer just start calling people names, what a sad bunch they are.

Perhaps they have relatives who are getting rich making human right claims for the illegals or perhaps for some warped reason they approve of the smuggler gangs getting rich off the backs of the desperate.

Good point Richmond - “setting up and staffing proper channels must be cheaper”and it’s more humane.

Not all leave voters hate refugees but did all refugee haters vote leave?

RichmondPark

Not all leave voters hate refugees but did all refugee haters vote leave?

No idea and unless you know all of the 17 million plus folks who voted leave neither do you.

That's why I asked the question GrannyGravy13.

Have you noticed how some posters when they haven't got an answer just start calling people names, what a sad bunch they are.

Not ok = calling people names
Ok = calling people 'a sad bunch'

Surely it is extremely unfair to people trying to enter this country legally and who are spending months if not years in refugee camps waiting to have their applications processed, when they see others jumping the queue and getting here by illegal methods and apparently being able to stay one way or another. How unfair is that?!

Jaberwok

Surely it is extremely unfair to people trying to enter this country legally and who are spending months if not years in refugee camps waiting to have their applications processed, when they see others jumping the queue and getting here by illegal methods and apparently being able to stay one way or another. How unfair is that?!

Perhaps you would be so kind to outline exactly how asylum seekers are entering the U.K. through safe routes.

Maudi

Have you noticed how some posters when they haven't got an answer just start calling people names, what a sad bunch they are.

Perhaps they have relatives who are getting rich making human right claims for the illegals or perhaps for some warped reason they approve of the smuggler gangs getting rich off the backs of the desperate.

Can’t say. Have noticed that…er “what a sad bunch”

And your second paragraph Is in Prince Charles’ words ..appalling

jumping the queue and getting here by illegal methods

It is not illegal to enter the UK to claim asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country.

NotSpaghetti

biglouis

Why can we not establish centers to investigate these people while they are in France?

Too obvious a solution biglouis.
Then we could offer support and welcome to refugees that need it and filter out the “rapists and murderers” that so many people seem to think want to come here…

It’s an obvious solution…but seemingly not obvious to our PM and ministers

I don't have a relative getting rich making human rights claims, but I'm sure if I did and wanted to help them I wouldn't be doing so via the medium of posting on Gransnet.

I've always kind of imagined that most human rights lawyers went into it for reasons other than getting rich quick.

I don't know, I just realise I am privileged by my birth here in the UK and the security I get from that as I am just another human being

I cannot imagine how desperate these people are

I got to work and pay my taxes and if my opinion makes me a left wing do gooder, so be it

Robin49

Urmstongran

Excellent news. Even if it was only one migrant it proves the point. We can build on this until it’s totally obvious that giving a people smuggler thousands ££s to get you to the Uk, assuming you don’t drown, is pointless.

Word will filter through now.

Completely agree.

You eally think that news of a plane carrying fewer than 10 migrants to Rwanda will deter people, when news of numerous drownings in the Channe doesn't?
These are both desperate and determined people's lives we are playing politics with.

Just imagine what they have to offer this country if given the opportunity to put that strength and determination into working and building a new life here!

It was reported on the STV news that one of the people who was told he was going to be on the flight, got his hearing brought forward by his lawyers, has been released from detention and is now in Glasgow with his family. He clearly had a case to stay but they were going to deport him anyway.

You eally think that news of a plane carrying fewer than 10 migrants to Rwanda will deter people

Yes, I do actually. Migrants will understand there will be more planes on a regular basis going forward.

Umstrongran where do you get such heartlessness from don’t you have any feelings for people trying to flee from harsh regimes, war areas, areas of extreme poverty to try to live an ordinary life Why can you only think bad of them and stuff you read or rumours you follow
Many are professional people or those with family here they want to be near, open your heart just a bit you will feel better for it

volver

It was reported on the STV news that one of the people who was told he was going to be on the flight, got his hearing brought forward by his lawyers, has been released from detention and is now in Glasgow with his family. He clearly had a case to stay but they were going to deport him anyway.

Exactly. Those people whose tickets are being cancelled are innocent of any wrong doing, but Patel would have transported them with no way of returning if she hadn’t been stopped.

Utterly immoral.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Nobody every answers the question - why do we want to deter these people who could if the proper channels were available benefit our economy given the opportunity?

Why do you think, RichmondPark?.

Why did all the refugee haters vote leave? Same reason for both... it begins with 'xen...

Your sweeping statement is incorrect.

This leave voter is neither xenophobic or racist and definitely not a ^refugee hater^

I said 'the refugee haters. I wasn't referring to all leave voters .but to those who have posted unpleasant anti refugee posts on this thread.

I have already posted about the article in the Times 2 today,headed"Refugees shouldn't be sent to Rwanda. It's appalling and inhumane. It could have happened to my brother. Now before the high horses come charging in I will tell you that the writer arrived here at the age of 15 with little money and no education because of war. He did a variety of jobs , got himself educated, was accepted to read medicine at Cambridge and is an A&E doctor in the National Health.
His article is so moving and says " all refugees like myself want is safety and a fair chance to restart their life, for their claims to be assessed and for them to be able to contribute."
Dr Waheed Arian is from Afghanistan ,his family is split in different parts of the world,but they cannot get his father out. He goes on to say that "there are no visas and no safe route. For more than four decades we interfered in Afghanistan. We didn't go in with aid at first, we went in with bombs and and it's always the people who bear the brunt "
I think we should listen to this man who has seen many sides of the case, Why aren't refugees allowed to work ? there seems to be plenty of people looking for staff . That could be a start of treating these people humanely.

BREAKING: The entire senior leadership of the Church of England (every bishop in the House of Lords) has joined to decry the Rwanda scheme as "an immoral policy that shames Britain" in letter to
@TheTimes

There was a time when this would have given the Conservative. Party pause.

Sue Perkins ?

Today, the govt pushed ahead with the most brutal, stupid and damaging responses to problems they created in the first place. This is where xenophobia and ‘sovereignty’ get you; breaking international law and sending asylum seekers to Rwanda.
Shameless, the lot of them.