Rwanda

Maudi

There is even an Albanian young man on the flight list (what's he running from) but obviously he's lodged an appeal paid for by the British taxpayer, you couldn't make it up.

Human rights violations in Albania.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Albania

Perhaps he's gay. Or Roma.

The ignorance of people when it comes to refugees is just unlimited.

GrannyGravy13

There is a news broadcaster in Kigali who has just said that the EU run a similar scheme with Rwanda?

I am not aware that this happens?

I do know that the right wing ultra conservative Austrian government has urged the EU to adopt the U.K. policy.

But would be interested in what you have found.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

There is a news broadcaster in Kigali who has just said that the EU run a similar scheme with Rwanda?

I am not aware that this happens?

I do know that the right wing ultra conservative Austrian government has urged the EU to adopt the U.K. policy.

But would be interested in what you have found.

I had no idea either Whitewavemark2 until it came up on the news this morning, which is why I Goggled it.

Maudi

06:38Lucca

I was talking about certain posters on the news and politics thread not GN in general but I expect you know that but obviously it doesn't suit your narative.

Yes, and my comment still applies…to myself for example.

Are we sure it is correct?

volver

It doesn't matter what others are doing and the Leaver obsession with the EU is irrelevant in this case.

The whole process is wrong. It doesn't matter who else is doing it. Australia, EU, whatever. We shouldn't be doing it and just saying that others are doing it doesn't mean we should too.

I had no idea this had been happening for five years till I saw an item on the ITV news this morning. I then Googled EU send immigrants to Rwanda in order to find out for myself.

Just for the record volver I am not in favour of this, but I do like to find out for myself what/how other Countries deal with their migrants as it is a huge problem.

Jaberwok

Totally agree with Urstongran and others. If this policy can deter these mostly fit young men and the evil traffickers then it must be a good thing. Bombs have dropped on this country in the past and no one I've ever heard of attempted to cross the Channel in order to escape tbem. If this imaginary bomb were a nuclear one, then escaping wouldn't be an option whichever side of the channel you lived!!

The ignorance shown by some would be laughable if it were not so terrifying in the way it plays with people's lives.

When bombs were dropping people did not cross the channel because they would have been sailing straight into the arms of those who dropped the bombs. Instead, thousands of children, with and without their mothers, crossed the seas and were welcomed by North America, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

Whitewavemark2
This is the story that I poster way back on this thread. You didn’t believe it.
Here is another link.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/asylum-seekers-resettled-rwanda-eu-scheme-abandoned-poverty/

Ha ha the leavers obsession with the EU I think it's the other way round. Yes say your gay or whatever and hey presto your saved.

Ah! I get it now.

So what is actually happening, and not what this lying government is saying is that - the EU is NOT resettling asylum seekers from the EU to Rwanda, it is taking part in a scheme alongside the UNHCR to help pay for Libyan asylum seekers.

So the EU IS NOT TRANSPORTING ASYLUM SEEKERS TO RWANDA.

Patel was lying.

Maudi

Have you noticed how some posters when they haven't got an answer just start calling people names, what a sad bunch they are.

Perhaps they have relatives who are getting rich making human right claims for the illegals or perhaps for some warped reason they approve of the smuggler gangs getting rich off the backs of the desperate.

Words like "illegals" immediately flag up that people have run out of arguments, don't they? The government does the same with the judiciary, some of whose legal challenges they can only reply to by calling them "woke". Other attacks on our legal system, for fear they are right, I assume, comes into the same level of behaviour.

But then, if you have a government that behaves this way, I suppose it's no surprise when their fans do too.

Maudi

Lee Anderson MP ?

Have Faith.

I see a few people are complaining there are not enough people on this flight tomorrow and I share the frustration.

However, this is a landmark judgement today which allows us to take people to Rwanda to process Asylum claims.

This is a massive victory and should not be talked down. Its been a real battle behind the scenes and I know this because I have been part of it.

Polite request, please get behind us because we are on your side unlike Labour, the lefty lawyers and human rights bosses on 6 figure salaries.

No other party would do this.

Another request to destroy democracy and replace it with dictatorship I see.

Telegraph report. Not a very good advertisement for Rwanda. Is it?

Asylum seekers in Rwanda have said they have been left in a “traumatising” poverty-stricken limbo for years, barely able to afford clothes and constantly in fear of the country’s brutal security forces, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

As the Home Office prepares to send the first batch of asylum seekers 4,000 miles south on a one-way ticket to Rwanda on Tuesday 14 June, this newspaper sent journalists to investigate what was happening in the police state.

UK Ministers claim that the deal to permanently settle migrants who crossed the channel illegally to the East African nation will give people a chance to “rebuild their lives in safety”.

Rwanda has promised 'long term accommodation' to those who resettle in the country but no details have been released showing what it might look like.

The Gashora Transit Centre, 90 miles from Rwanda's capital Kigali, is the clearest indication of where the migrants will be resettled.

Police keep a watchful eye on the centre, refusing independent journalists access just in case one of the refugees inside says something damaging to Rwanda's carefully crafted image as Africa's 'miracle' nation.

But refugees snuck out of the centre to tell Telegraph reporters the reality of what was going on.

‘No one can stay in these conditions for long’

“The economic conditions in the transit centre have been harsh. Since coming here, I have not been able to support my child whom I left back in Sudan," says one man whose wife died when he was stuck in Libya.

“The poverty has been hard-hitting and the camp has been traumatising. No one can stay in these conditions for long.”

Many live in constant fear of the security forces. The refugees at Gashora have a curfew of 8pm and are punished for being out late. Some alleged that local police had sexually abused a 16-year-old boy outside the camp last year.”

There is a lot more along these lines, as well as other publications and first hand evidence of how Rwanda is treating asylum seekers.

Patel will know this.

Reading the Telegraph article leaves me with the impression that the reporter is distinctly underwhelmed by the experience of the refugees in the UNCHR camp. One might even go so far as to say 'critical of'.

Which is odd if it's now cheering on Patel's nasty scheme.

Not a good look for the EU to support this either, as we keep being reminded it’s all about the optics

MaizieD

Reading the Telegraph article leaves me with the impression that the reporter is distinctly underwhelmed by the experience of the refugees in the UNCHR camp. One might even go so far as to say 'critical of'.

Which is odd if it's now cheering on Patel's nasty scheme.

The reporter on ITV news this morning was definitely not cheering either scheme.

Maudi

Some just can't help themselves with the name calling can they just proves my point.

Saying someone is a fascist is not name-calling - well no more than saying they are a conservative, socialist, or liberal. It describes what their thinking is based on Maudi.

On the other hand, saying someone is "an illegal" is name-calling as there is no such thing. No one is an illegal person; actions are illegal, not people. Crossing the channel to claim asylum is not an illegal action.

GrannyGravy13

Not a good look for the EU to support this either, as we keep being reminded it’s all about ^the optics^

The EU don't support anything like it at all. That's just Patel and her gang trying to pretend that what they are doing is just the same as everybody else.

Sile Reynolds, head of asylum advocacy at Freedom from Torture, told Byline Times: “The Emergency Transit Mechanism is an urgent humanitarian evacuation programme, designed to move vulnerable and traumatised refugees from a situation of immediate danger, to a temporary transit location in Rwanda before they are ultimately resettled in Europe or North America.

“It could not be more different to the UK’s Rwanda scheme which moves refugees from a place of safety to one of danger and insecurity. This is nothing more than a cynical and cack-handed attempt to distract critics from the brutality and unfairness of the Rwanda scheme.”

bylinetimes.com/2022/05/23/doubts-cast-over-home-secretarys-claim-that-eu-has-resettled-refugees-in-rwanda/

(I know that you don't support then scheme GG13)

Sile Reynolds, head of asylum advocacy at Freedom from Torture, told Byline Times: “The Emergency Transit Mechanism is an urgent humanitarian evacuation programme, designed to move vulnerable and traumatised refugees from a situation of immediate danger, to a temporary transit location in Rwanda before they are ultimately resettled in Europe or North America.

Unforunately, judging by the Telegraph article, the Rwanda camp isn't really a 'temporary' location, is it. I'm struggling to find anything good to say about this scheme. Apart from the fact that it is grounded in good intentions, not malicious
appeal to racist Brexit supporters.

I have just skimmed several articles on EU/Rwanda/UNHCR the EU has been giving money to this project (€10.3. million 2019) I assume they would not give money to a scheme they didn’t support.

I will read some more later, when The Imp is asleep.

I am not knocking the EU just curious to anything regarding refugees, as I would love to see a worldwide solution to what is an ever increasing human crisis.

From what I read the EU scheme is backed by the UN and is entirely different to Patel's scheme. Which isn't backed by the UN.

But my earlier comment still stands. Some countries just shoot people they don't want in their country. Or put them in concentration camps. If Patel suggested that, would we say its OK because other people do it?

We have to take action that is moral, not just because someone else does it. But as a country we seem to have forgotten what "moral" is.

Transportation against their will of people en masse has never been moral, has it?

If you go on the UNHCR website they appear to be taking people away from the camps for resettlement:

For UNHCR, resettlement to third countries for those refugees who have been in Rwanda for many years is seen as the most protective and pragmatic step through which to bring an end to the protracted situation of Congolese refugees in Rwanda, over 90% of whom originate from conflict zones in the DRC. In March 2012, resettlement was entrenched within the operation as a core activity targeting the refugees in a protracted caseload. Over 46,000 refugees in Rwanda live in a protracted situation, having being in the camps for up to 20 years.

So they are working to support refugees in getting out of the camps where they are potentiallyin limbo for 20 years. As someone else said, the escape from Libya seems to be a different scheme and many of these people are ultimately resettled into the EU.

The UK scheme is a no-hope of settlement in the UK scenario and is another altogether different scheme.

Basically we have apples, oranges and pears here. Let's try not to muddle them up.

Re hearts posted here:

Sue Perkins. Who Do Think You Are. Lithuanian ancestry. Family members persecuted by Nazis for not being "Aryan enough". An aunt executed under Nazi eugenics program because she was deaf and had learning difficulties.

Former miner, Lee Anderson desperately wanted Labour Party nomination when former Ashfield Labour MP Gloria de Peino stepped down but was by rejected by constituency party for sexist and racist behaviour (given an ASBO for latter). Flipped by Tories in 2019 with buckets of cash from Tory donors, regular payments from whom he still receives on top up his MPs salary. Now enjoying a six figure income while telling poor people they can make meals for 30p. A lout who would say anything to cling to his seat.

This is Anderson on the campaign trail in 2019 exposed for who is is by Michael Crick. Current Leader of the House Mark Spencer is on record saying some of the 2019 red wall intake was poor. Anderson is very nasty example of this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmS9CzAY_s

He also hit the headlines after George Floyd was killed. He said he wouldn't support the England football team and would boycott Euro 2000 because the players were supporting anti-racism by taking the knee. It's clear where Anderson stands on matters of race.

Re the UNHCR, they have made numerous statements about the UK scheme and they are universally negative.

It risks the arbitrary denial of access to asylum and lacks realistic durable solutions for the refugees affected.