Rwanda

Well said, Volver
This scheme is cruel . The smugglers could be defeated if there were proper routes for immigrants .
We are very short of workers in many sectors and are allowing extra visas for foreign workers in agriculture. Why couldn't these desperate people be allowed to work after training if necessary.
It couldn't be that this policy is all part of shoring up Big Dog could it ? That it is all about winning support in certain sectors ?

Some people's heads on this thread are going to explode when they discover that in exchange for the few desperate refugees being sent from UK to Rwanda, we are taking over 60 people/refugees from Rwanda. It's apparently part of the 'deal'.

MaizieD

^Sile Reynolds, head of asylum advocacy at Freedom from Torture, told Byline Times: “The Emergency Transit Mechanism is an urgent humanitarian evacuation programme, designed to move vulnerable and traumatised refugees from a situation of immediate danger, to a temporary transit location in Rwanda before they are ultimately resettled in Europe or North America.^

Unforunately, judging by the Telegraph article, the Rwanda camp isn't really a 'temporary' location, is it. I'm struggling to find anything good to say about this scheme. Apart from the fact that it is grounded in good intentions, not malicious
appeal to racist Brexit supporters.

Yes that is right, none of it is right or humane.

The whole point is that we know that the asylum seekers are going to get more and more.

Climate change is going to be a huge driver. The human population is going to have to get to grip with this.

Grandmabatty

Some people's heads on this thread are going to explode when they discover that in exchange for the few desperate refugees being sent from UK to Rwanda, we are taking over 60 people/refugees from Rwanda. It's apparently part of the 'deal'.

Yes, apparently, we have agreed to take some "vulnerable" people from Rwanda, in exchange.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10726955/Britain-vulnerable-refugees-Rwanda-Priti-Patels-migrants-shake-up.html

Grandmabatty

Some people's heads on this thread are going to explode when they discover that in exchange for the few desperate refugees being sent from UK to Rwanda, we are taking over 60 people/refugees from Rwanda. It's apparently part of the 'deal'.

Yes. Where are those poor souls going? Are they from North Africa?

Can anyone tell me the sort of physical constraints those poor souls are going to have to endure?

Jo Maugham

If you want a definition of "trading in human misery" what about "buying votes with performative cruelty to the most vulnerable people on earth"?

Swapping refugees is extraordinary - thought I'd imagined/misheard that yesterday but it seems not.

Now that really is trading in human beings... swapping one cargo for another.

Riverwalk

Swapping refugees is extraordinary - thought I'd imagined/misheard that yesterday but it seems not.

Now that really is trading in human beings... swapping one cargo for another.

This ?

Just what I was about to say

I honestly cannot get my head around us flying refugees to Rwanda and then accepting Rwandan refugees.

I have given my head a good wobble and it is still confused.

I shudder when I read a headline which says:

Truss claims near empty flight to Rwanda for asylum seekers is still "value for money."

Treating people like cattle. This is a woman in the running to be the next Prime Minister. These are very frightening times.

Bizarre, isn't it, GG13?

Fly one plane load out and return with another plane load.

Why don't we just establish safe routes to the UK, employ more staff to process their asylum applications and deport the ones who fail the process?

And let them work in the meantime.

We do actually need the skills that many asylum seekers can offer.

I cannot understand why the U.K. (and other countries) cannot have outreach posts in refugee camps.

This would enable desperate people to apply for asylum/refuge in the Country they feel most akin to, totally cutting out the heinous cruel people trafficker from the get go.

This could stop folks feeling the need to destroy their identity papers along with any qualification papers, they could be allowed to work and therefore pay taxes.

I know a plane is not a railway cattle truck. However, I cannot clear my mind of the fact, that this attempts the mass transportation of people against their will to an insecure destination for processing.

I can't bear the fact that it is our government that is doing this. Russia is transporting people out of Ukraine into Russia against their will. Why is what we are doing any more moral?

Bizarre

A good word for it.

I said illogical but it's worse than that, although I can see no logic in it whatsoever.

In this morning’s interview on the Today programme Liz Truss was insistent that the flight to Rwanda would go ahead even though possibly as few as seven refugees will be on board (of whom three or four are appealing) and, it was hinted, even if none are on board.

So it seems possible that the net result of the flight will be a plane load of vulnerable Rwandan refugees arriving here.

These are desperate people, wherever they originated, who surely deserve better than being used as pawns in a political game. The claim that this scheme has been devised for the safety of refugees and to deter smugglers is absolute hypocrisy.

The discussion here a few days agao about some migrants understating their ages reminded me of something I had seen on TV. It eventually came to me. It was TV barrister Robert Rinder on Who Do You Think You Are. His Polish Jewish grandfather, born in 1923 saw his parents and four siblings taken away to the Treblinka gas chambers. As he was a young man, he was allowed to live but forced into labour at Schlieben near Buchenwald where the Nazis treated workers with immense cruelty. As the Allies approached, he was moved to a camp in Czechoslovakia. When the camp was liberated, the Red Cross found hundreds of orphaned children. In August 1945, a Jewish charity called the Central British Fund offered to take 1,000 youngsters to the UK. They had to be no older than 15 to qualify. Rinder’s forensic lawyer’s eye noticed that the ages on the manifest for the flight showed almost everyone including his grandfather was born in 1930 - 15 though he was 22. I guess if you have been kept starving and cold for six years, were literally skin and bones, it would be hard to tell how old you were. He was sent to the now famous Calgarth Estate in Windermere to start a new life. When he applied for naturalisation he asked that his year of birth be changed to 1923 to set the record straight. He was already a baker when he was taken by the Nazis and carried on his profession at Calgarth and throughout his working life. His marriage to an English woman produced a loving family one of whom is a brilliant barrister currently helping Ukranian refugees find safety.

That the British government can no longer find the humanity to help people to start a new life and would rather send them to a country with a record of genocide takes us right back to 1939, except now it is British ministers who are wearing the jackboots. I weep for what is happening.

GrannyGravy13

I cannot understand why the U.K. (and other countries) cannot have outreach posts in refugee camps.

This would enable desperate people to apply for asylum/refuge in the Country they feel most akin to, totally cutting out the heinous cruel people trafficker from the get go.

This could stop folks feeling the need to destroy their identity papers along with any qualification papers, they could be allowed to work and therefore pay taxes.

Nor can I . Seems far more logical. This is a hideous scheme and not even well tHought out at that.

Caravanserai, your post brought tears to my eyes.

There are those on here who will continue to claim that asylum seekers are economic migrants being accommodated I four star hotels and are not fleeing danger….how on earth can they know that?

From the Archbishop's letter;
"Those to be deported to Rwanda have had no chance to appeal or reunite with family in Britain. They have had no consideration of their asylum claim, recognition of their medical or other needs ,or any attempt to understand their predicament.Many are desperate people fleeing unspeakable horrors."
What sort of country does this ?

MaizieD

Riverwalk

Swapping refugees is extraordinary - thought I'd imagined/misheard that yesterday but it seems not.

Now that really is trading in human beings... swapping one cargo for another.

This ?

Just what I was about to say

This ^

Shockingly inhumane.

westendgirl

From the Archbishop's letter;
"Those to be deported to Rwanda have had no chance to appeal or reunite with family in Britain. They have had no consideration of their asylum claim, recognition of their medical or other needs ,or any attempt to understand their predicament.Many are desperate people fleeing unspeakable horrors."
What sort of country does this ?

This one apparently. How low are we going to get?

but not in my name

Nor mine WWM2

These fit young men who have LEFT all the vulnerable behind , travelled through loads of safe countries to get here won't be getting any sympathy from me

Biscuitmuncher

These fit young men who have LEFT all the vulnerable behind , travelled through loads of safe countries to get here won't be getting any sympathy from me

They were fit young men the last time we were involved in trading human beings

The fit young men were probably picked by their family in the hope that they would get work , send the families money and eventually send for others.
Further back in the post I wrote about a doctor who had arrived in this way . Please read it.