Rwanda

None of this is funny but this link is James O'Brien running rings around "Jim from Watford" and maybe explains some of the ridiculous things that people believe about this.

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Biscuitmuncher

These fit young men who have LEFT all the vulnerable behind , travelled through loads of safe countries to get here won't be getting any sympathy from me

These posts make me so sad (and angry).

They have to be fit to survive what they have to go through before they can reach the UK. You'd hardly send women and children or elderly people on such a taxing and dangerous journey (although some do make it).

Most of those 'fit young men' can be a great asset to the country that accepts their asylum application.

The 'safe country' trope is just bollocks. Under International law there is absolutely no requirement for refugees to apply for asylum in the first 'safe country' they reach.

Maizied I do agree. as I said earlier the fit young man is probably the family's hope for their future. It's not like booking a summer holiday. The family will choose one person because that is all they can afford in the hope that that person will get employment so he can get employment, send back money and later send for others in the family .

DaisyAnne

Maudi

Lee Anderson MP ?

Have Faith.

I see a few people are complaining there are not enough people on this flight tomorrow and I share the frustration.

However, this is a landmark judgement today which allows us to take people to Rwanda to process Asylum claims.

This is a massive victory and should not be talked down. Its been a real battle behind the scenes and I know this because I have been part of it.

Polite request, please get behind us because we are on your side unlike Labour, the lefty lawyers and human rights bosses on 6 figure salaries.

No other party would do this.

Another request to destroy democracy and replace it with dictatorship I see.

It is disgusting what bandwagons some people will jump on to promote their careers, but not nearly as disgusting as those that support them. If Lee Anderson MP is held up as an example of right minded thinking, then this country is completely fu**ed. He was sacked by Labour for anti-semitism, allegations of sexual impropriety, then scooped up by the Tories who now laud him as he blames and humiliates those who use foodbanks and now this. Seriously, anyone who thinks this is acceptable........

Absolute naive nonsense do you honestly believe they've come here to be an asset to us?

Grandmabatty

Some people's heads on this thread are going to explode when they discover that in exchange for the few desperate refugees being sent from UK to Rwanda, we are taking over 60 people/refugees from Rwanda. It's apparently part of the 'deal'.

I read that today and burst out laughing . Patel didn't tell her followers that bit did she? That should give the racists and people like the loutish Lee Anderson something to chew on.

There's sometimes no point in arguing because people don't want facts, or statistics, or cogent arguments.

They just believe what they believe and that's it. Even though what they believe is based on ignorance, fear and hatred.

HousePlantQueen

Grandmabatty

Some people's heads on this thread are going to explode when they discover that in exchange for the few desperate refugees being sent from UK to Rwanda, we are taking over 60 people/refugees from Rwanda. It's apparently part of the 'deal'.

I read that today and burst out laughing . Patel didn't tell her followers that bit did she? That should give the racists and people like the loutish Lee Anderson something to chew on.

Ah but they didn't come on dinghies. We don't want people that come on dinghies. Dinghies are the devil's work. People who come on dinghies are exploited by the nasty wicked people traffickers, and everybody knows that inhumane treatment of refugees is the Home Office's job.

Of course I knew about the reciprocal agreement! I do read the newspapers you know. My head is not about to explode. It’s a “you scratch my back” deal. Each country gets what they want out of the deal.

I was about to reply to biscuitmuncher and try to persuade her to think around the subject and maybe read some of the relevant links, but decided that instead I will thank CaravanSerai for her thoughtful and poignant post. Sometimes we have to recognise lost causes and turn to those who think like us, and be thankful that we are not alone in our disgust at what is being done to people by this vile government, aided and abetted by those who support them. Things are getting very weird for me, I find that as what some on here would describe as a 'leftie', I find myself in tune with the Church of England (The Tory Party at prayer) and Prince Charles.

Good post HousePlantQueen.

I'm an atheist republican in full agreement with the people you mention. My head may explode

Most of the people are economic migrants that go through several safe countries to get here. It’s for benefits they get here that they don’t get travelling through the other safe countries. It’s not fair on those that go through official channels to lose out to those paying huge amounts if money to people smugglers. There is no way we can take everyone in, I feel sorry for people born here with no chance of a home. If you feel so strongly take someone in, then the reply comes back, I’ve only one bedroom, sure. It always someone else’s problem. This country is obviously to these persistent whingers too bad to come to anyway.

Most of the people are economic migrants

Data to support that? No? That's because its not true.

I have three bedrooms, but I'm not taking anyone in. I expect my country to behave in a civilised manner, not make me feel guilty about the government being incompetent.

You are confusing economic migrants with asylum seekers, Allsorts

Some 75% of asylum seekers are granted asylum. I understand that more may be granted asylum on appeal. Those who aren't can be legitimately returned to their country of origin.

We've been through the facts on this thread over and over again on this thread, so I'll just say that the benefits thing is nonsense and that, under international law there is no obligation of them to seek asylum in the first 'safe country' they reach. Additionally, most come from countries where there are no 'official channels' open to them to apply for visas.

I'm so tired of people churning out untrue populist propaganda about asylum seekers...

Biscuitmuncher

Absolute naive nonsense do you honestly believe they've come here to be an asset to us?

Why do you think it's okay to ask others why they believe what they say while offering nothing in the way of knowledge to support your opinion that it's "Absolute naive nonsense"?

We all know that Johnson employed Canzani (an ally of Lynton Crosby) earlier in the year to help him out of the mire. These people are all about the campaign and not about government and policies. The Crosby/Canzani mantra seemed to be "call the opposition names but don't worry about having proper policies." This attitude will turn out to be as useful, and effective as Brexit has been - making us all the poorer, morally and financially in the process.

It may never even go forward. Let's face it, it has almost certainly come up now to affect the by-elections. And then what? How have the neighbourhoods that have voted for this corrupt government benefited so far? If this makes them vote Conservative again how soon do you reckon they will benefit this time? I suggest you don't hold your breath while waiting.

Biscuitmuncher

These fit young men who have LEFT all the vulnerable behind , travelled through loads of safe countries to get here won't be getting any sympathy from me

They have started to bring women and children with them now.

Approx 256 landed this morning, 111 yesterday, and there were children amongst them.

Allsorts

Most of the people are economic migrants that go through several safe countries to get here. It’s for benefits they get here that they don’t get travelling through the other safe countries. It’s not fair on those that go through official channels to lose out to those paying huge amounts if money to people smugglers. There is no way we can take everyone in, I feel sorry for people born here with no chance of a home. If you feel so strongly take someone in, then the reply comes back, I’ve only one bedroom, sure. It always someone else’s problem. This country is obviously to these persistent whingers too bad to come to anyway.

If it's for the benefits, somebody needs to tell them that they're more generous in several other countries.

DiamondLily 256 just in one day! Where on earth are they going to go? My children can't afford to buy homes. The two bedroom house next to me is being turned into a HMO there's no room here

Why do you conflate the difficulties that young people have with getting their first home, with the desperate people arriving on dinghies? I don't think that even our lying, desperate for distraction PM has managed to make a link there, but give him time I suppose. One thing that fascinates me is how the arch racist and Brexiteer Farage manages to report from the cliffs of Dover, filming the dinghies, but doesn't mention the 24 hour+ lorry queues on the M20, or the charities having to come to the assistance of the drivers stuck there. Selective reporting seems to be a characteristic of the Brexit cult.

HousePlantQueen because those who are coming here are illegal and it's costing a fortune to keep them here

They are not illegal.
Applying for asylum is not illegal
75% of applications are granted
Applicants are costing a fortune because the process of handling their requests is painfully slow and they are not allowed to work while they wait.
Sending people to Rwanda costs more than hotels here.

But, you know all this don't you?

Biscuitmuncher

DiamondLily 256 just in one day! Where on earth are they going to go? My children can't afford to buy homes. The two bedroom house next to me is being turned into a HMO there's no room here

Russian oligarchs have left a few empty properties, so I've heard.

Biscuitmuncher

HousePlantQueen because those who are coming here are illegal and it's costing a fortune to keep them here

No, they're not illegal!!!!!!!! How many times do some people need telling?

Growstuff "losing " all your ID at sea doesn't make their case does it. And none of you seem to mention them coming from France!

Biscuitmuncher

Growstuff "losing " all your ID at sea doesn't make their case does it. And none of you seem to mention them coming from France!

Have you ever read the 1951 refugee convention? If you have you wouldn’t be posting such ignorance and lies I would hope.