Speaking the truth about brexit

And don't forget that Brexit has enabled an erosion of human rights. Unfortunately, a section of the population thinks that's a good thing because they don't appear to understand the concept of universal human rights.

Today is the sixth anniversary of the fraudulent referendum which we now know was won by lies, cheating and foriegn interference.

So the BBC Daily Politics programme marked this by having a "discussion" on how well brexit was going with a guest speaker who was a former UKIP MEP (who wanted more deregulation) and a panel of a Tory and Labour supporters, none of whom had the courage to say that brexit was a disastrous mistake which was making us poorer.

Pigeon fancying is popular in the North of England where some who may have voted leave are now ruing the day.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/pigeon-fanciers-lobby-for-change-to-brexit-rules-on-cross-channel-races

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

At what point do we explain to your neighbours that they were conned ans not only is brexit no working, it never will nor ever could work? Iam64?

You’re welcome to try, any time

Please don't give that a try in my red wall seat as I would quite like labour to win back my seat.

Exactly so Galaxy. We are marginal that usually predicts which way the general election will go

Iam64

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do.

Huh! I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do

Sneaky. Not sensible. And not very democratic. All those who voted Remain would of course be delighted.

MaizieD

Iam64

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do.

Quite honestly any prime minister in normal times looks to improve and protect the U.K. economy, because from that falls everything else.

The Tories have spectacularly failed. The economy is look set to contract for a number of years and make no mistake austerity will be their priority if they think they can get away with it.
Just how much more hollowing out can the economy take?
Whoever is in power next should ensure that they make it as easy as possible for our traders to grow their businesses which will of course mean negotiating trade deals with our nearest neighbours. Why on Earth wouldnt you? Unless of course you are an ideologue and wish to impinge your misery on everyone, just like the anti-abortionists.

Starmer and the Lib Dems need to play their cards close to their chest as the headbangers will take every opportunity just like the referendum to threaten doom etc.

All lies of course.

So they need managing, which is precisely what I think is happening.

There is no need to get in a twist about brexit. Time will sort that out as indeed it is beginning to do.

Urmstongran

Huh! I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do

Sneaky. Not sensible. And not very democratic. All those who voted Remain would of course be delighted.

As would those leavers who, in 2016, said we would remain in the single market. Like Farage, Rees-Mogg....

Looking like the realities of Brexit are hitting some people hard. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/what-have-we-done-six-years-on-uk-counts-the-cost-of-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Brexit is a bit like the invasion of Iraq. No consolation to have been right in predicting disaster

back in the day at elections your vote was a private matter known only to you and yours!
no one would have dreamed of asking who you voted for!

Of course Brexit has been an economic disaster and it always was going to be, yes people believed the line that the EU was costing us billions which we would save and spend on British public services. What’s happened? Businesses forced to open branches in the Netherlands so they can continue trading with jobs and taxes going to the Dutch , oodles more red tape , fishing and agriculture far from being better off are going down the pan, the NHS is crumbling with lack of funds and fewer and fewer staff …why isn’t anyone telling the truth???

Long article in the Observer today.

British Businesses are re-locating or opening up branches to Europe in order to survive.

The revenue of course goes to Europe .

Six years on the lasting legacy of brexit is the lies

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/six-years-on-brexit-lies-boris-johnson-b1007936.html

Both Brexit and covid have damaged our economy but many analyses have been carried out and all that I have seen have found that Brexit has had an even more devastating impact than covid chestnut not the other way round.

Just read a very interesting article in the New European on Facebook about what has happened to the people behind brexit. Apart from Johnson they have all achieved nothing. One of them tried to get a right wing government in New Zealand but they ( unlike us) had the sense to see through it and voted for Jacinda instead. None of their predictions have come true either. Isn’t the money that Johnson is giving Ukraine partly because they need to be financially viable to join the EU? No one seems to be asking him why Ukraine think it’s so important to join the EU. I wish they would.

The UK's current account deficit- the gap between imports and exports, is at 8.9% od GDP the worst since records began in
n 1955.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/03/arguments-over-brexit-done-dusted-for-a-generation-really-tony-blair

Urmstongran

Huh! I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do

Sneaky. Not sensible. And not very democratic. All those who voted Remain would of course be delighted.

I think that you are fighting a losing battle. I've just been looking at a number of polls and haven't found one where there is a majority in favour of Brexit.

There has been a Remain majority in almost every poll since the fraudulent referendum of 2016

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/