Speaking the truth about brexit

They voted to remain in the UK when the UK was part of the EU. Now that the UK is no longer part of the EU they may think differently.

That doesn't mean we don't try to find the best solution right now, but I will never stop blaming people who voted for this, whatever self-justifying excuses they come up with. It was the wrong thing to do

What about those who couldn't be bothered to vote on such an important issue?
Personally, I don't know any but nearly 13 million voters did not bother to turn up.
I still feel annoyed with them.

Shouldn't they be the ones who should incur your wrath rather than people who did think long and hard before they placed their X.

Add the fact that it was really too close to call and should have had a higher margin before it was accepted as a valid result.

Does anyone still have the booklet that was sent to every household before the referendum? It set out the reasons for staying in the EU and the consequences of leaving.

Jackiest

They voted to remain in the UK when the UK was part of the EU. Now that the UK is no longer part of the EU they may think differently.

I realise that, as I said. I know what changed.

But I was pointing out that the Scots were happy to stay in the UK, which apparently is the union that hasn't worked in their interests, just two years previously.

lemsip

' I don't think it's for anybody to post that they think a thread has run its course. '
What?

I think this thread has been done to death and.....run it's course!

Oh, no, I've only just arrived ?

nanna8

From afar, every single person I know thought it was a bad decision to leave and wondered what you were thinking as a nation to do this. It has been even worse than we thought. One day in the not so distant future there will be yet another European war and Britain will be isolated ,cosying up to its American friends.

I agree but it was done, if badly.

There's no point in continuing anger over something we can't change as it destroys the equilibrium of the angry person.

Finding a positive solution and forming a different kind of union in the future if possible, trying to find positives.

(Or declaring the last referendum invalid)

One day in the not so distant future there will be yet another European war and Britain will be isolated ,cosying up to its American friends

Who can predict what will happen?
I don't have a crystal ball but I do know Australians are requesting more of an American presence in Australia.

volver First let me say that I voted to stay in the EU as I have always believed in it being the correct path for the UK.

However, I really can't blame all the people who voted to leave so many of them were misled by the press, by the Brexit campaigner lies and by social media. Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth.

garnet25

volver First let me say that I voted to stay in the EU as I have always believed in it being the correct path for the UK.

However, I really can't blame all the people who voted to leave so many of them were misled by the press, by the Brexit campaigner lies and by social media. Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth.

Sorry garnet25, but I don't find that to be much of an excuse. If people don't have the time or inclination to find out the truth about the biggest and most irreversible political choice they'll ever have to make, then they shouldn't be voting.

volver
Sorry garnet25, but I don't find that to be much of an excuse. If people don't have the time or inclination to find out the truth about the biggest and most irreversible political choice they'll ever have to make, then they shouldn't be voting.

The problem is that they think they have!!

Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth

I do know several people who did go into it in great depth and voted to leave.
We may not agree but I would not disparage them or fall out with them.

I would.

Of course.

Callistemon21

^Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth^

I do know several people who did go into it in great depth and voted to leave.
We may not agree but I would not disparage them or fall out with them.

They would have had to dig really deep to find solid benefits for leaving, when they didn’t find any they invented them.

just joined the thread.
There's a section of British ( English?) people who resented the controls of the EU. And felt the French and German influence was too strong. "We managed during the War".
Also the fact that we are an island, separate from the rest of Europe. More independent.

The truth of "We managed during the War" is that we managed during the War because we were in an alliance with dozens of other countries.

Also the fact that we are an island, separate from the rest of Europe. More independent.

I'm sure there are 27 countries in Europe which consider themselves to be independent but which very much appreciate the benefit of trading in frictionless single market.

Ireland is separate from the rest of Europe, but is happy to be in the EU.

British exceptionalism is a delusion.

Yes but - the majority of voters vote with their hearts, not their minds.
Not meaning to be offensive, just realistic.

Fennel How do you know that the majority of voters vote with their hearts? Everything I have read suggests they vote with their wallets, but I haven't seen evidence to prove that either.

Katie59

Callistemon21

Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth

I do know several people who did go into it in great depth and voted to leave.
We may not agree but I would not disparage them or fall out with them.

They would have had to dig really deep to find solid benefits for leaving, when they didn’t find any they invented them.

Are you talking generally as you don't know the people to whom I refer?

GrannyGravy13

volver no deflection, just a fact.

I have a friend who was in a unhappy and exploitative marriage. She divorced and remarried and is now very happy.

It's not the union that's the problem, it's the nature of the union that's the problem.

Fennel Also the fact that we are an island, separate from the rest of Europe.

Except for the bit that isn't, which everyone forgot about in 2016, and which is currently causing all the problems.

Petera

GrannyGravy13

volver no deflection, just a fact.

I have a friend who was in a unhappy and exploitative marriage. She divorced and remarried and is now very happy.

It's not the union that's the problem, it's the nature of the union that's the problem.

At that’s maybe how folks who voted to leave the EU felt

Its not the union that’s the problem, it’s the nature of the union that’s the problem

When we reurned to Geordieland in 2018 (from France) I was so amazed that the majority had voted Leave that I asked a few of the locals why?
As my last post - that was what they replied.
Similar to the fall of the Red Wall.
People living in our previously deprived areas are now more comfortable in housing and standard of living. Thanks to the brief period of Labour governace in the late 90s et al.

GrannyGravy13

Petera

GrannyGravy13

volver no deflection, just a fact.

I have a friend who was in a unhappy and exploitative marriage. She divorced and remarried and is now very happy.

It's not the union that's the problem, it's the nature of the union that's the problem.

At that’s maybe how folks who voted to leave the EU felt

^Its not the union that’s the problem, it’s the nature of the union that’s the problem^

So you understand about Scotland then?