Speaking the truth about brexit

These things are all in the public domain. Why do so many people not know this stuff and persist in spouting and applauding things that are clearly not true?

Straight answer - because they are ignorant and pigheaded. Apart from those who have realised that they made a mistake who have been brave in admitting it.

M0nica

Whose truth are you talking about? Truth unfortunately is generally relative.

Can you please give us a list of the advantages that you consider have come about from Brexit?

This is rather a typical Brexit thread.

People who voted to remain coming along with facts and figures, well rounded arguments and illustrations of the lies that were told.

And those who voted to leave shouting about "us lot", whingers, how the Europeans hate us and how it would have been fine if it hadn't been for Covid. And that we should just wait for a decade or two and it will all be fine.

(Honourable exceptions are those who now understand that their Leave vote has been a disaster.)

The main reason Brexit was rushed through was the EU law being brought in January 2020 to address tax avoidance and money laundering.

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Just reading that the EU offered to extend the period before the U.K. had to leave in order that we could better cope with covid.

Johnson naturally turned it down.

Fool

so who hates who?

It’s been a personal disaster for us - my daughter has a Swedish partner and they moved to Sweden after Brexit - her partner was made to feel un- wanted by the narrative here , after living and working in the UK for 23 years - it makes me feel so angry ‘ little Britain’ looking inward not outward.

What do you think halfpint1?

Does somebody have to hate somebody else?

Whitewavemark2

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I read the Demon Haunted World about 25 years ago. It'll change your life

To be honest I voted to remain I still feel we should have. Covid-19 needs to be taken into consideration too though. Things could well have been different if we didn't have that to contend with too. It's too late to go back, the conditions that would be imposed would likely be even worse.

The best comment I saw about Brexit was the fisherman in Cornwall who voted to leave the EU then maintained on camera that his grants and subsidies wouldn't be affected by leaving Europe. That said it all.

volver

Whitewavemark2

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I read the Demon Haunted World about 25 years ago. It'll change your life

I used to avidly watch him every time I could on TV

varian

It is hard to imagine anyone who has any grasp of the changes caused by brexit? honestly believing that brexit was ever a good idea

I could not agree more.
Some people will never admit they were ill-informed or even wrong.
If I could switch passports, I would have no qualms in doing so.

Dinahmo

The main reason Brexit was rushed through was the EU law being brought in January 2020 to address tax avoidance and money laundering.

Yes, it was so the. It’s could continue to .sunder the dodgy Russian money, along comes the Ukraine sanctions they lost it anyway, disaster after disaster.

so the City could continue

Never forget that the Leave faction had better use of social media and the knowledge and understanding of its use by Dominic Cummings and the Remain faction sat back and just let it happen without really fighting to stay, as Cameron only went for the referendum to shut up his back bench Eurosceptics. That was lazy, it should not have been left to voters to do the research. Theresa May couldn’t get an agreement and Johnson lied as usual and screwed up big time. Also remember that General de Gaulle said “Non!” to Britain joining in the first place as he knew we’d never stay long. The writing was on the wall when we didn’t adopt the Euro, that was obvious. Plus Cameron was so distant from the temperature of the country that for some the exit vote was a way of “giving it to the man”.
The mess we are in shows how useless a little country Britain actually is - trying to punch above our weight for years. We could have stayed in the single market, or had the same agreement as Norway and we would have been much better off.

Gilly cats ,how I agree.i too am sick of the extreme left views on these gn threads .This is not the majority view in this country or we woukd have a corbanist government .
This remainder attitude needs to stop.You can’t blame everything on brexit when there is a war with ukraine plus the after results of covid.to contend with .
The opening quote is from the guardian,a left wing newspaper which really says it all .

I am a small antiquarian and general bookseller…Brexit has been a disaster for selling or buying anything in Europe. ..as I knew it would be.
Currently it’s not only grappling with masses of new red tape, but taxes and customs duties levied on your EU customers who dare to buy from the UK !
France and Germany have now brought in packaging requirements so that anyone sending there has to register individually with re-cycling firms in the relevant countries and pay an annual fee to them too, from July 1st. In time all individual EU countries will likely do the same. I have already had to block sales from Germany and France due to all this.
I have been a book seller for over 42 years and Brexit is killing all small traders!
That is MY personal experience and point of view… as for the restrictions on travel, etc,etc, etc… !!!! ####

Madashell,as you seem to think so little of your own country ,why don’t you go and live in your pre cious eu !

David Davis, then a Brexit negotiator, said there would be no downsides to Brexit, only considerable upsides. The excellent Yorkshirebylines.co.uk has been compiling the downsides ever since - currently standing at more than 600. You can visit the site and dip in at your leisure. Look for the David Downside Dossier!

EXACTLY Madashell - the whole of the UK voted without being told the facts, many with a patriotic fever and no understanding of the ramifications- and Boris’s bus advertising the ‘massive monetary savings’ we would make if we leftover , with hardly anyone telling the truth !!!

Whitewatermark
Extend our membership so either pay the eu a load more millions or extend so starmer and co could dilute our leaving .
Boris did the right thing to get out,we’d already been delayed nearly 5 years .

If we left *

Zoe65

Madashell,as you seem to think so little of your own country ,why don’t you go and live in your pre cious eu !

If you hated being in the EU so much, Zoe65, why didn't you go and live somewhere else?

What a ludicrous thing to say...

Madashell was just being realistic.