Vote of Confidence being announced today.

That list of lies is depressing, knowing that thousands of people believe them.

I am very pleased indeed that my local MP, a former treasury minister, has finally gone public on the subject with an open letter to Boris Johnson condemning his position and making it clear that he will not be supporting him. This is significant as he is a former BJ supporter (goodness knows why) but his intervention will be important for those teetering on the brink.

I had exchanged several emails with him, and it was clear that he was not at all happy with the situation - as I said in my message to him this morning - what took you so long?

www.herefordtimes.com/news/20188865.full-herefordshire-mps-explosive-letter-boris-johnson/

Yes.

I think he will survive, after trotting out the ‘got Brexit done’ ‘vaccine rollout’ ‘supporting Ukraine’ ‘ rebuilding the economy’ etc, etc.
( Oh, and maybe surviving Covid as well)

Even if the vote is for him surely his position is untenable now and he will be gone soon.

Why has this moved to another thread?

Ah, I see. This means the Daily Mail gets quoted for the sheeples.

MaizieD

Glorianny

I think he will win and then launch a huge charm offensive, hand shaking and grinning everywhere, and before you know it he'll be Good Old Boris again.
After all some of us knew what a complete shit the man was before he was elected. He has a record of bad behaviour and hanging on.

Do you really think that, after 2 years of getting very little done and the massive offence of partygate (which, however much people would have liked him to be unpopular for more worthy reasons, is the one that has really upset nearly everyone) he could possibly 'charm' his way back into the voters' good books?

I think you have an even more cynical view of the electorate than I have, Glorianny

I think "partygate" has probably upset more of his middle class supporters (like on GN). So those are the ones he will have to gain back, or he will need more "Red Wall" constituencies. I don't think his red wall supporters will be overly upset about the parties.
But never underestimate Boris's ability to dodge the bullet after all he cut the London fire service before Grenfell and nobody has held him responsible.
I do find it funny that adultery, abortion and lack of child support were just ignored but A PARTY! (well a few!) and he's out!

A PARTY

Illegal Gatherings while the majority of the public was undergoing a completely miserable time and keeping to the law, you mean

Glorianny

MaizieD

Glorianny

I think he will win and then launch a huge charm offensive, hand shaking and grinning everywhere, and before you know it he'll be Good Old Boris again.
After all some of us knew what a complete shit the man was before he was elected. He has a record of bad behaviour and hanging on.

Do you really think that, after 2 years of getting very little done and the massive offence of partygate (which, however much people would have liked him to be unpopular for more worthy reasons, is the one that has really upset nearly everyone) he could possibly 'charm' his way back into the voters' good books?

I think you have an even more cynical view of the electorate than I have, Glorianny

I think "partygate" has probably upset more of his middle class supporters (like on GN). So those are the ones he will have to gain back, or he will need more "Red Wall" constituencies. I don't think his red wall supporters will be overly upset about the parties.
But never underestimate Boris's ability to dodge the bullet after all he cut the London fire service before Grenfell and nobody has held him responsible.
I do find it funny that adultery, abortion and lack of child support were just ignored but A PARTY! (well a few!) and he's out!

I think you’re wrong about the parties not being an issue for the red wall voters Glorianny. I think they are more upset about it than most, as those areas suffered high Covid deaths. That, coupled with the cost of living issues, which will also affect them most will do for the Tories who got in last time. I know the current prediction is that they will lose all their Welsh seats gained.

About time they gave him the boot by the sounds of things. I am surprised he has managed to hang on this long, he wouldn’t have here. We heard the booing when he appeared at the Jubilee celebrations, I’ve never come across such strong anti feeling about a serving PM before, even horrors like Tony Blur.

People I’ve been speaking to over the weekend are more angry at the state of the NHS ( and that includes doctors surgeries and the care sector) than any party.

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Ken Clarke

Quite a sight in Parliament. Nadine Dorries is hysterical and attacking colleagues. Jacob Rees-Mogg is trying to calm her down and has poured her a whisky in the tea room repeating the words “Que Sera, Sera.” I’m in the corner with a glass of champagne trying not to laugh.

Casdon

Glorianny

MaizieD

Glorianny

I think he will win and then launch a huge charm offensive, hand shaking and grinning everywhere, and before you know it he'll be Good Old Boris again.
After all some of us knew what a complete shit the man was before he was elected. He has a record of bad behaviour and hanging on.

Do you really think that, after 2 years of getting very little done and the massive offence of partygate (which, however much people would have liked him to be unpopular for more worthy reasons, is the one that has really upset nearly everyone) he could possibly 'charm' his way back into the voters' good books?

I think you have an even more cynical view of the electorate than I have, Glorianny

I think "partygate" has probably upset more of his middle class supporters (like on GN). So those are the ones he will have to gain back, or he will need more "Red Wall" constituencies. I don't think his red wall supporters will be overly upset about the parties.
But never underestimate Boris's ability to dodge the bullet after all he cut the London fire service before Grenfell and nobody has held him responsible.
I do find it funny that adultery, abortion and lack of child support were just ignored but A PARTY! (well a few!) and he's out!

I think you’re wrong about the parties not being an issue for the red wall voters Glorianny. I think they are more upset about it than most, as those areas suffered high Covid deaths. That, coupled with the cost of living issues, which will also affect them most will do for the Tories who got in last time. I know the current prediction is that they will lose all their Welsh seats gained.

I think those areas are more concerned about the other matters Casdon after all most of the people in those areas worked through most of the pandemic in low paid jobs keeping services going such as supermarkets and care homes. That's why there were high Covid deaths. The middle class concept that everyone was stuck at home just isn't true.
If Boris turns on a charm offensive (and lets not forget the fuel bribe of £400) they'll view his partying as even less significant.

Well I guess the Wakefield result will demonstrate if you’re right Glorianny. If Boris does win the no confidence vote there will no doubt be some carrots offered before then, so it will be interesting.

I suspect, that like everything else so far, Johnson will survive, but this time will be mortally wounded. I find myself more angry with the members of his cabinet who are enabling him. Johnson is one thing, but all these others standing up day after day, knowingly lying and defending his lies, trying to gaslight the whole country, I really don't know how some of them sleep at night. Politics is one thing, but wilfully ignoring your own conscience and sense of what is right just to support the man who will keep you in a job is disgusting.

most of the people in those areas worked through most of the pandemic in low paid jobs keeping services going such as supermarkets and care homes. That's why there were high Covid deaths. The middle class concept that everyone was stuck at home just isn't true.

People working while being terrified and while seeing serious illness and death around them are not likely to have been partying and are not likely to be happy about that.

MerylStreep

People I’ve been speaking to over the weekend are more angry at the state of the NHS ( and that includes doctors surgeries and the care sector) than any party.

It's the conservative party to blame for that.

I see Dorries has admitted that the Tory government preparation for covid was found wanting.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that, if Johnson loses, his replacement will have to be someone who didn’t receive a fine for attending the parties? ?

FarNorth

^most of the people in those areas worked through most of the pandemic in low paid jobs keeping services going such as supermarkets and care homes. That's why there were high Covid deaths. The middle class concept that everyone was stuck at home just isn't true.^

People working while being terrified and while seeing serious illness and death around them are not likely to have been partying and are not likely to be happy about that.

I didn't say they were happy about it. I said they were less concerned about it than those who were able to stay home and isolate. The immediate concerns of this group are of course the rise in prices and particularly in energy and fuel costs. They are struggling to feed their families, heat their homes and run their cars. If they blame Boris for that he will go. He may well lose Wakefield but there will be measures to keep those people on side in the future.

Last week, I told my local (Tory) MP to take a look at the political threads on Gransnet if she wanted a snapshot of what the more elderly demographic think of Johnson now!

I doubt that she actually read my email, but later that same day, she did, for the first time, come out publically with some scathing remarks about him. A coincidence, yes, but I can pretend ...

Now, I just hope she has the decency and strength of character to follow through with a vote of no confidence.

Dorries has gone completely bat**** crazy about Jeremy Hunt.

twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

Its like the last days of the Roman Empire.

volver

Dorries has gone completely bat**** crazy about Jeremy Hunt.

twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

Its like the last days of the Roman Empire.

and I had our esteemed PM down as Nero, not Nadine Dorries…she is crazy though.

volver

Dorries has gone completely bat**** crazy about Jeremy Hunt.

twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

Its like the last days of the Roman Empire.

Yes I saw that?. Mad as a box of frogs.