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Diana’s death. This makes for interesting reading

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Lucca Wed 31-Aug-22 07:25:05

I had no idea about most of this.

Callistemon21 Wed 31-Aug-22 17:56:48

Thanks Dickens

Glorianny Wed 31-Aug-22 17:57:11

There must be so many ways of temporarily disabling seat belts so that they are difficult to put on. Many people have said Diana always wore a seat belt, so why not on this occasion? Perhaps because they wouldn't work properly. Dodi never wore one so it wouldn't bother him.

Callistemon21 Wed 31-Aug-22 18:04:07

Why would you get into any car to speed across a city at night if the seatbelts didn't work?
Especially if you had apparently predicted your demise in a car crash. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Glorianny Wed 31-Aug-22 18:13:08

Callistemon21

Why would you get into any car to speed across a city at night if the seatbelts didn't work?
Especially if you had apparently predicted your demise in a car crash. It doesn't make any sense at all.

If you are rushing to escape I would imagine the driver will have started well before you realise the seat belt doesn't work. And Dodi's car and driver, he never wore one so wouldn't wait for passengers to belt up.

eazybee Wed 31-Aug-22 18:16:22

And who would disable the seat belts? They didn't know which car they would be using.

Zoejory Wed 31-Aug-22 18:17:34

Diana sadly died as a result of a car accident.

Callistemon21 Wed 31-Aug-22 18:18:30

There must be so many ways of temporarily disabling seat belts so that they are difficult to put on

So who would have been hanging around disabling seatbelts on the off-chance they might go on a night-time dash at goodness knows the speed limit?

Sorry but it's not a feasible theory.

Sara1954 Wed 31-Aug-22 18:46:38

No, it was a tragic accident, nothing more, it could so easily have been avoided, which makes it somehow worse.
As someone said earlier, if they had wanted to kill her, it was an extremely inefficient and messy way to go about it, definitely suicide would have been their best option.
Until someone proves otherwise, I think it was a terrible accident.

Joseanne Wed 31-Aug-22 19:37:12

Interestingly I was reading an article in a Brittany newspaper (Ouest-France) by Henri Pauls's best friend today. He fervently believes that Henri Paul was thrown to the lions and defends him with an account of that night 25 years ago.

Grandmafrench Wed 31-Aug-22 19:38:47

It was an accident waiting to happen.
She had ditched her Royal Protection Officer (paranoid they would spy on her); she was relying on the sort of security which would have probably made Securicor look efficient; she was travelling (unnecessarily late at night in a city) when she could have comfortably remained in a suite at the Ritz, she didn't know that the driver was drunk, she would have been aware of photographers but probably didn't expect to be 'racing' them with an idiot at the wheel; the vehicle was dangerously over the speed limit and nobody (except Trevor Rees Jones) was wearing a seat belt.

You choose to run around with euro trash when you know that you're the Mother of two Royal sons - one of whom will be King one day - and it's not hard to see that you're already making some very poor choices. Although it would seem she was unaware that the risks she was taking were enormous.

It's very very sad that she lost her life. It's more sad that her last words were in the crashed vehicle in the Alma Tunnel, but a creep, a crook and a liar who was desperate for her to maintain a relationship with his Son in the hope that he would be able to obtain the British passport always denied to him, still lied to the Press. He was determined to convince all and sundry that he spoke to her and she had actually revealed her pregnancy 'secrets' in hospital. That's appalling. His behaviour was completely beyond the pale and served to muddy the waters regarding the investigation for a good while. I recall the 'shrine' to Diana and Dodi that he had on a landing in Harrods - he couldn't stop pushing himself forward as a person of great importance.

Her youngest Son, a child at the time, remains obsessed with the idea that she was killed by the paparazzi. No, she was killed by a raft of bad decisions which were made on her behalf and which would never have gone ahead had her Royal Protection Officer been with her.
Speed, darkness, drink, drugs, all played a part. But, in spite of injuries, specialist medical people involved have always maintained she would have had a good chance of survival had she worn a belt.

Callistemon21 Wed 31-Aug-22 20:24:58

Good post, GrandmaFrench

Glorianny Wed 31-Aug-22 22:33:45

Grandma French Diana believed Charles was using her security team to track her movements and record who she was seeing. This has never been disproved. Charles at the time was disliked by most of the public and jealous of his wife's popularity. So it is highly possible.

mokryna Wed 31-Aug-22 23:07:03

Joseanne

Interestingly I was reading an article in a Brittany newspaper (Ouest-France) by Henri Pauls's best friend today. He fervently believes that Henri Paul was thrown to the lions and defends him with an account of that night 25 years ago.

I can’t see it because of the paywall.

Jaberwok Thu 01-Sept-22 07:00:28

Harry was 12 not 9, William just 15 when their mother died. Who knows if Charles was keeping an eye on her (spying), perhaps with good reason as she did seem, at times to behave recklessly and no doubt he worried about not only her but his sons when they were in her care.

M0nica Thu 01-Sept-22 07:03:24

Even if the car starts before your seat belt is done up, it only takes at most about 30 seconds to put it on while the car is moving.

I am sorry I class 'Diana was mrdered' conspiracists in the same group as anto-vaxxers, the belief that we are being run by mutant lizards, and all the other daft conspiracies that people believe in. Personally, I think it was a deep conspiracy by Q-Anon. Yes, I know Q-Anon wasn't in existence 25 years ago, but why let a trivial matter like that interfere with good conspiracy story.. I mean, for all we know the person behind Q-Anon could have been a KGB operative hoping to disrupt the whole of the western world by killing off its most popular person. Except that the FBI got to know about the KGB plot so did themselves first so that the USSR could not take the credit.

Now how is that for a conspiracy theory!

MissAdventure Thu 01-Sept-22 07:08:20

Jaberwok

Harry was 12 not 9, William just 15 when their mother died. Who knows if Charles was keeping an eye on her (spying), perhaps with good reason as she did seem, at times to behave recklessly and no doubt he worried about not only her but his sons when they were in her care.

That makes good sense.
Perhaps she was being watched for those reasons.

Perhaps she wasn't at all and was just paranoid.

Anniebach Thu 01-Sept-22 08:18:28

A 12 and 15 year old with a doting mother who got herself on the press front pages holidaying with Dodi Fayed, posing for
the cameras

Galaxy Thu 01-Sept-22 08:20:44

And?

MissAdventure Thu 01-Sept-22 08:26:08

I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

Joseanne Thu 01-Sept-22 08:50:55

mokryna

Joseanne

Interestingly I was reading an article in a Brittany newspaper (Ouest-France) by Henri Pauls's best friend today. He fervently believes that Henri Paul was thrown to the lions and defends him with an account of that night 25 years ago.

I can’t see it because of the paywall.

I'll try to paraphrase in a bit, though it probably won't add much to the already known conspiracies, so don't want to muddy the waters. It was more a look at the man himself from his best friend's view.

Just shows that everyone, everywhere wants to peddle a different story from their own perspective.

Glorianny Thu 01-Sept-22 09:13:16

Joseanne

mokryna

Joseanne

Interestingly I was reading an article in a Brittany newspaper (Ouest-France) by Henri Pauls's best friend today. He fervently believes that Henri Paul was thrown to the lions and defends him with an account of that night 25 years ago.

I can’t see it because of the paywall.

I'll try to paraphrase in a bit, though it probably won't add much to the already known conspiracies, so don't want to muddy the waters. It was more a look at the man himself from his best friend's view.

Just shows that everyone, everywhere wants to peddle a different story from their own perspective.

Perhaps but there are some discrepancies. Why weren't his parents permitted an independent blood test? How if he was an alcoholic did he manage to renew his pilots licence a few days before? Something that requires blood and urine tests. I know there are functioning alcoholics but most of them don't have such things.

Jaberwok Thu 01-Sept-22 09:17:18

MissAdventure

Jaberwok

Harry was 12 not 9, William just 15 when their mother died. Who knows if Charles was keeping an eye on her (spying), perhaps with good reason as she did seem, at times to behave recklessly and no doubt he worried about not only her but his sons when they were in her care.

That makes good sense.
Perhaps she was being watched for those reasons.

Perhaps she wasn't at all and was just paranoid.

Prince Harry was two weeks from his 13th birthday so it must have been a very very unhappy time indeed. If only their mother had worn a seat belt. Perhaps she was being observed, perhaps she wasn't, who knows, but I would think almost certainly P.C would have been somewhat worried particularly where his sons were concerned. As it turned out, with good reason.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Sept-22 09:20:48

Yes, particularly with the future heir as one of the children, quite apart from the love and concern for his children.

I really hadn't considered that angle.

Glorianny Thu 01-Sept-22 09:29:12

Jaberwok

MissAdventure

Jaberwok

Harry was 12 not 9, William just 15 when their mother died. Who knows if Charles was keeping an eye on her (spying), perhaps with good reason as she did seem, at times to behave recklessly and no doubt he worried about not only her but his sons when they were in her care.

That makes good sense.
Perhaps she was being watched for those reasons.

Perhaps she wasn't at all and was just paranoid.

Prince Harry was two weeks from his 13th birthday so it must have been a very very unhappy time indeed. If only their mother had worn a seat belt. Perhaps she was being observed, perhaps she wasn't, who knows, but I would think almost certainly P.C would have been somewhat worried particularly where his sons were concerned. As it turned out, with good reason.

When the children were with Diana she had their security teams to watch them. The idea that she had to be watched even when they were not with her is ludicrous. She was an independent woman who had divorced Charles and had the right to a life without any interference.

Jane43 Thu 01-Sept-22 09:30:35

Glorianny

*Grandma French* Diana believed Charles was using her security team to track her movements and record who she was seeing. This has never been disproved. Charles at the time was disliked by most of the public and jealous of his wife's popularity. So it is highly possible.

Diana believed that because it was one of the lies told to her by Martin Bashir. At the time of her death Diana and Charles were on relatively good terms.