Diana’s death. This makes for interesting reading

I admit I’m not a royalist but still think it was sad that Diana died leaving two children, but I just wish people would stop making her out to be a saint who they knew personally she wasn’t and you didn’t, it was 25 years ago, so why not get over it and leave her rest in peace.

Diana wanted rid of Tiggy before Bashir , the boys adored her,
she was at Balmoral when Diana died. Harry is godfather to her
child, she was a guest at both weddings. Diana also sacked their
nanny because William was very close to her.

And re the Camilla bashing, why didn’t Diana’s sister know there was an alleged affair, she dated Charles, were the Spencers the only family in that set not to know if there was an
affair. They were part of the country set, Charles use to go
to Althorp to hunt.

That's exactly why I quite liked her - the fact that she wasn't a saint.

I also feel it's ok to ponder about her death because if there was the slightest possibility that her death was not all it seemed, then she deserves at least for people to question it.

Meanwhile, posters who complain on this thread now move over to continue their taking apart and analysis of Meghan on another one.

MissAdventure

That's exactly why I quite liked her - the fact that she wasn't a saint.

I also feel it's ok to ponder about her death because if there was the slightest possibility that her death was not all it seemed, then she deserves at least for people to question it.

The inquest answered the questions.

Anyway, we still talk about Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth I.

An inquest will show the cause of death, for sure.

Car crash, no seat belt, and so on, but there is so much more than that to ponder about, in the weeks, months, and days before the crash.

The BBC has had to pay damages to Tiggy. I do think some of that money should come from Martin Bashir. people.com/royals/bbc-apologizes-to-royal-nanny-false-allegations-secure-princess-diana-interview/

I've always thought a car crash would have been a ludicrous way to try and murder someone, as well as putting three other people at risk. They would surely have realised that her death would put Charles' relationship with Camilla back years. Life would have been far easier for them if she had remarried (probably wouldn't have been Dodi) and started her own life away from the palace.

spabbygirl

It doesn't matter how much you examine what happened afterwards its the bit before the crash that mattered. Someone shone a bright light in the drivers eyes and another car pushed Diana's off the road. The worst thing Diana could have done was marry Dodi and make him stepfather to Will & Harry & they couldn't let her do that

Both those claims were investigated along with 100 others and there was no evidence to support either claim. Do you have evidence to make the claim? Perhaps you should watch the four part documentary on Channel 4.

I think she was going to remain a thorn in their sides, whatever route life took her on, because she had decided not to be meek little Diana anymore, and she was letting them and us know it.

Yes I am not keen on 'saints'. I never believe it's true for a start.

That's because it isn't true of anyone; something else that Diana revealed about "the firm", when they had always kept such a distance from the public, and given little away.

And people learn from the mistakes they make, I do wonder what kind of woman she might have become, as women get older they often have a different perspective on the unsuitable men they may have once thought were wonderful.

I think she would have matured into a pretty good person, and still retained that ability to connect with people, that was hers alone.

I don't think any of the other royals have it - it makes me cringe to see them "dancing" all stiff legged and uncomfortable at celebrations and things.

I'm convinced she was murdered and nothing will change that. The secret security services will do whatever they are told to do. Didn't one tell she was murdered by them on his deathbed?
Other countries do things like this but so do we. Look at Dr Kelly and his "suicide" Everything covered up nicely and all files probably erased or shredded.
She was a threat to the RF, and also much more popular than Charlie. She was involved with a Muslim person who they didn't want in the family
I think she was warned by them and that's why she wrote the letter.
They tried to stop her and wanted her to fade into the background but that didn't work so Goodbye.
Maybe she was about to disclose something about them all - who knows

hollysteers

The conspiracy theories are rubbish.
If it was decided to murder Diana, who would choose such a messy and unreliable plot such as this? There would be no certainty about it.
It never ceases to amaze me how people get caught up in complicating a straightforward accident; Dodi’s known love of speeding cars and urging of drivers to go faster, no seatbelt for Diana and a drunk driver who, not mentioned above, was also on antidepressant medication which was not meant to be mixed with alcohol.
Have you seen the photo of his face taken in the car just before the crash? Looks high as a kite.

I wish there was a 'like' button on Gransnet....this reply would definitely get one from me.
Diana was not wearing her seat belt in the car and her driver was stone drunk. No conspiracy....a horrible fatal crash caused by carelessness.

We will have to agree to differ. I am very,very cynical about the whole thing. They are very clever these ‘secret’ services and it had to look like an accident of course. There were probably a number of scenarios and they bided their time until she put herself in a vulnerable position. They watch and then fed the lies to the press.

Who is supposed to have ordered the secret services to murder Diana?

The Queen? Prince Philip? Charles?

Of course not. Whatever their feelings about Diana, the first thing we need to remember is they were all people who loved William and Harry, and would never have done anything that resulted in the death of their much loved mother.

As parents and grandparents ourselves, can we not see that?

As has been stated many times, drunk driver, speeding car, no seat belts. A tragic accident. Not a murder conspiracy.

I can't get my head round it all, but yesterday I had a little chat about the French involvement with a friend here over lunch.
Maybe France felt kind of responsibile and embarrassed about the accident happening on French soil. Maybe they didn't want all the grief of investigations etc so the simplest thing too do was to conclude that the driver was stone drunk. Just sacrifice one random person for the good of the British monarchy and the entente cordiale that exists?
I will say my discussion was with a Breton lady, Henri Paul coming from the region. There is no love lost between the Bretons and the Parisians at the best of times.
Just another slant.

As regards HMQ and Charles not wanting to harm Diana because she was W&H's mother, there are always fathers and in-laws who think children will be better off away from, or without, their mother.

Quite a list

Barry Manakee - Diana said he was murdered.

Kanga Tyron - she was pushed out of the window

Kelly not suicide after the press revealed he had a secret lover!

Dodi Fayed a Muslim who was known to have a liking
for cocaine

Diana

Proven facts:
Henri-Paul was three times over the legal limit for driving plus taking anti-depressants;

receipts from the Ritz prove he had been drinking in the bar that evening while waiting for instructions from Dodi;

the car was driven at 60mph, twice the speed limit when it crashed into a bollard in an underpass;

none of the deceased wore seatbelts.
Findings from the jury at the hearing.

My ex father-in-law disliked me intensely, but that does not mean he wanted me dead.

eazybee

Proven facts:
Henri-Paul was three times over the legal limit for driving plus taking anti-depressants;

receipts from the Ritz prove he had been drinking in the bar that evening while waiting for instructions from Dodi;

the car was driven at 60mph, twice the speed limit when it crashed into a bollard in an underpass;

none of the deceased wore seatbelts.
Findings from the jury at the hearing.

My ex father-in-law disliked me intensely, but that does not mean he wanted me dead.

A Blood test showed levels of alcohol and anti-depressants, but an independent blood test requested by Henri-Paul's parents was refused.
He had just renewed his pilots licence which requires blood and urine tests.
The staff thought he was drinking grapefruit juice until someone told them it was Pastis. If you stand next to someone drinking Pastis you know it by the smell.
Why was Diana not substantially injured? The body guard with a seat belt had head and facial injuries. She without one was unmarked.
Just a few questions about your facts.

Was the bodyguard sitting in the front seat ?

Joseanne

I can't get my head round it all, but yesterday I had a little chat about the French involvement with a friend here over lunch.
Maybe France felt kind of responsibile and embarrassed about the accident happening on French soil. Maybe they didn't want all the grief of investigations etc so the simplest thing too do was to conclude that the driver was stone drunk. Just sacrifice one random person for the good of the British monarchy and the entente cordiale that exists?
I will say my discussion was with a Breton lady, Henri Paul coming from the region. There is no love lost between the Bretons and the Parisians at the best of times.
Just another slant.

The documentary on channel 4 shows that the French did an extensive investigation after the accident.