King Charles III

Iam64

Oh dear, a big error of judgement
Another error imo is allowing Andrew to wear military uniform for todays commemorative walk but refusing to allow Prince Harry to do the same

I agree, but I would like to find out more.

Regarding to Andrew and Counsellor of state! are his hands tied by protocol, or is it entirely his choice.

The uniform thing is imo a poor judgement

As someone fundamentally opposed to the British class system, born privilege, and vast private wealth in a world in which such poverty and inequality are rife, I cannot and will not be a hypocrite during this period of official mourning. But I also appreciate that the system we have all grown up in, the identity that has been created around ‘Britishness’, and the personal family histories that people will hold means that many will feel very differently.

My journey to where I am as someone who thinks there is no place for a monarchy in the modern world hasn’t been passed down through family—many of whom have been working-class Royalists—but comes of my own personal experience of a system so broken and biased against those trying to escape poverty. I have concluded that until the British class system is truly abolished, we will never be able to tackle inequality and achieve true social justice. The monarchy, the pinnacle of the British establishment and class system, directly conflicts with my wish to end privatisation, concentrated land ownership, and intolerably unequal wealth distribution. For me, the two simply don’t fit.

Royal Pageantry Can’t Disguise that Britain Is Broken

tribunemag.co.uk/2022/09/royal-family-queen-death-king-charles-cost-of-living-crisis

Mollygo

Grany I do wish you’d say it’s in your opinion. As someone pointed out, saying all Scots loved the Queen, it’s only an opinion, even supported by figures raised by a small consultation, not a fact.

Perhaps you could teach her to use quotation marks MollyGo?

Have you got a link to the small consultation you cite? I'd love to read that.

Normandygirl

Whitewavemark2

I’m one of I’m sure thousands of us who is actually sitting on the fence between a republic/monarchy.

I could say my heart says monarchy and head republic, but for me it isn’t that straightforward.

My biggest problem that I have is the fact that it perpetuates the class ridden hierarchical system.
But I strongly like the fact that it is (in theory at least) politically neutral. I actually don’t have too much problem with the it being an apparent un-democratic institution, because they are there by consent - and I can quite see the possibility of removing them if consent is ever withdrawn by the population.

So here I am sitting firmly on the fence

How would consent by the people be withdrawn though?

As I have said before, many people would never have even questioned continuing with a monarchy whilst the Queen was alive as she did such a great job, but now I think that a lot will be at least looking at the alternative with fresh perspective. I think Charles will be viewed as a sort of caretaker monarch until it can be passed to William.
Massive pressure on the new Prince and Princess of Wales and their PR teams to sell the new generation of Royals to the British public.

I think that although there is no formal way, I suspect if things got so bad then we could for example have a referendum - done properly - unlike the last one.

Andrew was a counsellor of state when the Queen was alive .

Was he not stood down after revelations of his behaviour?

Welcome to the concept of a monarchy WWM2

volver

Welcome to the concept of a monarchy WWM2

Sorry?

I meant that Anniebach is quite correct and that monarchs can appoint who they like to certain positions. Even if they behave badly as Andrew is alleged to have done.

I would disagree with the author of the Tribune article. I don't think that the class system is entirely to blame for social inequality and injustice, I think it is a society in which deference to, and admiration for, wealth is deeply entrenched. It's a society in which the concept of the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor holds sway and wins votes.

If we didn't have such an unhealthy relationship with 'money' and the rich (irrespective of their 'class') we could achieve a fairer, more equitable society regardless of status of our Head of State.

Oh yes I see what you mean. That is what I was unclear about. So Councillors of State are entirely and solely within the Monarchs remit?

Precedence - does that play a part?

Although quite honestly it has no bearing on my sitting on the fence. Andrew Windsor has never answered for his misdemeanours , but neither have quite a few of the politicians.

MaizieD

I would disagree with the author of the Tribune article. I don't think that the class system is entirely to blame for social inequality and injustice, I think it is a society in which deference to, and admiration for, wealth is deeply entrenched. It's a society in which the concept of the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor holds sway and wins votes.

If we didn't have such an unhealthy relationship with 'money' and the rich (irrespective of their 'class') we could achieve a fairer, more equitable society regardless of status of our Head of State.

What Tribune article - I missed that.

I do not sit on the fence I am a republican I see a family of Royals who do nothing and get paid a fortune for it. Do not help this country one bit We are laughed at to pay this family so much instead of choosing democracy a democratic system of government.

This does mean class they are at the top pile a rotten class system of hierarchy deference unearned privilege and wealth.

What Tribune article - I missed that.

The one that Grany's post at 11.33 was a c & p from.

I don't think Charles has a free hand in selecting counsellors of state. I understood that by default it's always the next 4 adults in line of succession unless parliament were to pass a motion to change it. That means William, Harry, Andrew and Beatrice. Oh and I think the monarch's spouse gets a look in too.

Yesterday on a thread re Megan and Harry I was told about
forgiveness, seems forgiveness isn’t for all

MaizieD

^What Tribune article - I missed that.^

The one that Grany's post at 11.33 was a c & p from.

Oh sorry I must have glossed over that?. I’ll read it now.

Anniebach

Yesterday on a thread re Megan and Harry I was told about
forgiveness, seems forgiveness isn’t for all

A crime is just that and people must pay. You can still forgive.

‘We are laughed at’. By whom Grany? I’m sure you have some evidence?

ReadyMeals

I don't think Charles has a free hand in selecting counsellors of state. I understood that by default it's always the next 4 adults in line of succession unless parliament were to pass a motion to change it. That means William, Harry, Andrew and Beatrice. Oh and I think the monarch's spouse gets a look in too.

I think you are correct Readymeals
By law it is the king's wife and the next four heirs to the throne over the age of 21. Something to do with the regency act?
Under the same act Harry would become Regent if anything happened to Charles and William before George reached majority age.

MaizieD

I would disagree with the author of the Tribune article. I don't think that the class system is entirely to blame for social inequality and injustice, I think it is a society in which deference to, and admiration for, wealth is deeply entrenched. It's a society in which the concept of the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor holds sway and wins votes.

If we didn't have such an unhealthy relationship with 'money' and the rich (irrespective of their 'class') we could achieve a fairer, more equitable society regardless of status of our Head of State.

I think that you have a point.

If we look at states who also have a monarchy in Europe I.e. economies and cultures similar to the U.K., - Sweden, Norway, Netherlands etc you could argue that these societies who are more equitable regardless of the monarchy.

So really perhaps the continued existence of our monarchy relies on the politicians. Some hope!

Not very pleasant to call him “Toadie”

Normandygirl

ReadyMeals

I don't think Charles has a free hand in selecting counsellors of state. I understood that by default it's always the next 4 adults in line of succession unless parliament were to pass a motion to change it. That means William, Harry, Andrew and Beatrice. Oh and I think the monarch's spouse gets a look in too.

I think you are correct Readymeals
By law it is the king's wife and the next four heirs to the throne over the age of 21. Something to do with the regency act?
Under the same act Harry would become Regent if anything happened to Charles and William before George reached majority age.

That would be my understanding, nothing seems to be done without past precedence. But I don’t really know for sure.

It is unfair to toads Sandy73 perhaps worm ? Snake ?

Anniebach

It is unfair to toads Sandy73 perhaps worm ? Snake ?

No, they’re not very pleasant either.
Forgiveness?
Christian values?