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Would the UK have noticed otherwise?

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JackyB Thu 22-Sept-22 07:48:33

I watched the footage, and some of the live coverage of the Queen's funeral on Monday, but despite winding back and forth and checking over and over, I couldn't see one second of coverage of the European Royals, all of whom were present, and seated in the South transept. From my perspective, here in Germany, the royal families of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Luxembourg and Monaco are just as interesting relevant to Royal-Watchers and the yellow press as the British monarchy. But the general public and the media in the UK seem to be totally unaware that there are other monarchies out there.

The visiting royals may not have been aware that they had been snubbed by the British media, as they probably had their own press following them.

Now I read that Queen Margaret of Denmark caught Covid and has finally managed to make the BBC aware of the fact that she was there. That's a great souvenir to give her to take back as a memento of the day. Good job she has a great sense of humour like her cousin.

I am not a royal watcher or particular fan of these people, but I am aware that they exist. As I say, I watched the arrivals at Westminster abbey again and again and was shown the British royals, the commonwealth heads of state, the US president and his wife, the ex- and current Prime Ministers of the UK, but neither during the service nor before, did I see any mention of those European royal family members (who are household names here in Germany.). Sorry if I'm wrong and I blinked and missed them.

Here is the article about Margarethe getting Covid with, finally, a photo of her and the others. They even have to be tagged to explain who they are.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62982315

CanadianGran Thu 22-Sept-22 23:41:20

I watched on CBC (our version of BBC, government funded) but since it was 2 am and DH was sleeping I had the volume very low, so didn't catch all the commentary as people entered the church.

I did wonder if there was one camera feed, and all the stations added their own commentary. I did not switch channels during the service to see if coverage was different.
We did see our Canadian delegation entering, so I assume it was being filmed by CDN broadcasters. Where on earth do they have room to put all the different cameras?

Out of interest, was coverage the same on different channels in UK, or was it one feed?

M0nica Fri 23-Sept-22 08:33:06

Most, if not all of them were there because all the European Royal families are related to each other, mainly through Queen Victoria. It was the funeral of a relative, and a highly revered one, so they would have been united in grief.

The European royal families are not 15 minute celebrities, they are accustomed to a certain about of attention in their own countrie,s but can usually go unrecognised in any other country. As I said they would have all known the Queen personally and are unlikely to have gone back to their embassys/hotels and scanned the tv coverage for themselves or mentions of themselves.

lemsip Fri 23-Sept-22 08:49:17

the European royals were seated opposite and facing our Royals and could be clearly seen .

Joseanne Fri 23-Sept-22 08:54:47

As I said they would have all known the Queen personally and are unlikely to have gone back to their embassys/hotels and scanned the tv coverage for themselves or mentions of themselves.
That's a very, very good point M0nica. Royals don't need to look back over the coverage or photos to check for comments, and whether the camera caught their best expressions. Celebrities DO.

maddyone Fri 23-Sept-22 10:55:52

But by making a point about being unable to spot this Queen it that prince I’m afraid it does reduce those people to being celebrities. Of course they’re not celebrities, they’re members of royal families , but the observation that they weren’t seen suggests otherwise.

Galaxy Fri 23-Sept-22 10:57:19

It's funny isnt it our different views. I see royalty and celebrities as very similar.

Joseanne Fri 23-Sept-22 10:58:46

Galaxy

It's funny isnt it our different views. I see royalty and celebrities as very similar.

They are certainly very close.

JaneJudge Fri 23-Sept-22 11:00:33

I suppose this thread explains why I had a dream about the Queen last night but most probably doesn't explain why I had no clothes on and why her lady in waiting was Rob Beckett dressed as Aunt Polly

Galaxy Fri 23-Sept-22 11:02:40

confused Crikey and I thought my dream last night about being chatted up by Boris Johnson was weird.

M0nica Fri 23-Sept-22 11:05:11

British Royalty, possibly, (seen as celebrities). European royalty, no. Neither when they are here nor in their own countries.

MaizieD Fri 23-Sept-22 11:05:55

Galaxy

confused Crikey and I thought my dream last night about being chatted up by Boris Johnson was weird.

I hope you rejected him with a scientifically placed kick, Galaxy grin

Galaxy Fri 23-Sept-22 11:08:20

No I was flirting in order to gain political power grin. I would be ashamed of myself but I had a similar dream about Owen Jones the other day. I may be slightly overestimating the appeal I have grin

JaneJudge Fri 23-Sept-22 11:10:13

as long as you all had clothes on, I think it's acceptable.

Elegran Fri 23-Sept-22 12:44:03

If people didn't recognise their own leaders, whether hereditary royalty or elected presidents, it must be harder still for a commentator to recognise and chat about every guest (without a name tag, crown or distinctive national dress) in a congregation of 2,000, as they pass by the camera for a few seconds in batches of a dozen at a time - almost all of them dressed in black.

Caleo Fri 23-Sept-22 13:31:28

I too am interested in other European royal families. I would like to see more of them on television.

silverlining48 Fri 23-Sept-22 13:48:25

Think the point might be that many Europeans would be able to recognise and name most, if not all, the royal families in Europe, including our own, because there are so many articles and photos of and about them all.

We/I generally only recognise our royal family. We don’t see or hear much if anything about the european royals and as someone else said, I didn’t know there was a Swedish royal family or the chap from Lichtenstein. Wouldn’t recognise or name any of them, but I will make it my business to have a look online. They are all mostly related to our Queen through Victoria.

M0nica Fri 23-Sept-22 15:19:26

The Swedish Royal family is descended from one of Napoleon's marshals, Jean Baptiste Bernadotte who. in 1809, was chosen by the Swedish government to be heir to their then king, Charles XIII , who was both childless and insane.

The story can be read in the novel Desiree by Annemarie Selinko in 1951. It is the story of Bernadotte's wife, who was wooed by Napoleon, who jilted her when after his early military and political success, he decided he needed a wife who would be useful to his career. She then then married Bernadotte.

Because Bernadotte was essentially a republican and egalitarian, the model he set for the Swedish monarchy has always been very low key and egalitarian.

silverlining48 Fri 23-Sept-22 15:55:24

Interesting Monica, thanks.

Joseanne Fri 23-Sept-22 16:01:46

Thank you M0nica. That's worth a read for me.

Dickens Fri 23-Sept-22 18:40:37

Joseanne

Galaxy

It's funny isnt it our different views. I see royalty and celebrities as very similar.

They are certainly very close.

Possibly the 'connection' between celebrity and royalty is enhanced by the way the media present them? Some parts of it (media) focus on the RF in the same way they do celebrities.

As a republican I'm always wondering how they feel when they're obliged to perform in public. I know they live a life of privilege and luxury, but it comes at a price. TBH I cannot think of much worse (in working life) than to have to constantly appear perfectly dressed, poised, magnanimous, interested, and neutral, before a public that has its collective eagle eye on you - but that could be because I'm not good in such situations myself and hate gatherings where polite conversation is the required order of the day. I have to take my hat off to the late Queen for managing this so efficiently for 70 years. I'm not sure Charles will stay the course in the same way - he's made of different material I think.

JaneJudge Fri 23-Sept-22 18:46:02

I feel exactly the same way as you Dickens!

grandtanteJE65 Fri 23-Sept-22 19:04:38

I did not see the actual funeral service on TV, but according to the Danish state radio, the BBC commentator stated, when the Queen of Denmark and her son, the Crown Prince entered the Abbey "Here are King Willem Alexander of The Netherlands and Queen Maxima."

While King Willem Alexander and Crown Prince Frederik are much the same age - certainly the same generation, it really should have dawned on the commentator, the Queen Margrethe is many years older than Queen Maxima!

Admittedly, the BBC were busy that day, but I am fairly sure the Palace had provided them with the guest list and the order in which people would be entering the Abbey.

Actually, no-one here has stated that our Queen caught Covid-19 (for the second time) in London, or on the way there or home again, so you probably don't need to feel guilty about that.

Callistemon21 Fri 23-Sept-22 19:05:05

That's interesting M0nica, thank you.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 23-Sept-22 19:10:56

M0nica

Most, if not all of them were there because all the European Royal families are related to each other, mainly through Queen Victoria. It was the funeral of a relative, and a highly revered one, so they would have been united in grief.

The European royal families are not 15 minute celebrities, they are accustomed to a certain about of attention in their own countrie,s but can usually go unrecognised in any other country. As I said they would have all known the Queen personally and are unlikely to have gone back to their embassys/hotels and scanned the tv coverage for themselves or mentions of themselves.

And most are also related through King Christian IX of Denmark and his wife Queen Louisa.

pascal30 Sat 24-Sept-22 11:16:36

jenpax

I saw footage of the Royal families of the countries you mentioned arriving at the Abbey, although I confess I didn't watch the whole thing

I also watched various European Royals as they left their buses, also saw the Spanish Royal family inside, and I think the TV channels did a really good job just briefly focusing on funeral guests.... This was in essence a private,sacred occasion and not one for celebrity watching