Eddie Izzard

FarNotth's is not a disgusting post

It's asking why should we excuse wrongdoing just because someone has raised money for charity.

I m not choosing a pronoun Glorianna I m just saying he is a man who sometimes likes to dress like a woman he’s not a she he hasn’t been operated on he chooses to swing
( good verb) between the two genders his business but somehow he always has to make it everyone’s business Why can’t he keep it to himself no one needs to know which preference he has this week and he needs to stay out of ladies toilets if he doesn’t want to use the gents he can go in the disabled toilets he just want to be in the public eye and have people talk about him

Callistemon21

Glorianny

I have used a men's toilet when the women's queue was long. I almost did it again at the airport last week, but the men had a queue as well. Should I be banned?
As for the article. Eddie Izzard may have millions, but she earned that money. She was one of the first comedians to manage and run her own shows and play arenas so she made more.
As far as being a candidate for Parliament she has a long and successful history of working for the Labour Party, so this is the logical next step
Eddie has also raised thousands for charity running marathons.
By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about? If the only way you can garner support is by character assassination it really doesn't say much about your beliefs.

By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about?

Why? ?

As others have said, so did Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris.
Do you think they weren't so bad then, considering all the money they raised and what fun they were?
It was a good guise.

Callistemon21 I find the attempts to link gender change with sexual assault and paedophilia absolutely abhorrent.
Neither of those men dressed as women.
Neither of those men expressed a political opinion or worked for a political party.
Nether of those men expressed any concern for the lack of help for the poor and vulnerable in society.
No one has ever accused Eddie Izzard of any misbehaviour to women or children.
Disagree with his gender views by all means but try to do it reasonably.

BlueBelle

I m not choosing a pronoun Glorianna I m just saying he is a man who sometimes likes to dress like a woman he’s not a she he hasn’t been operated on he chooses to swing
( good verb) between the two genders his business but somehow he always has to make it everyone’s business Why can’t he keep it to himself no one needs to know which preference he has this week and he needs to stay out of ladies toilets if he doesn’t want to use the gents he can go in the disabled toilets he just want to be in the public eye and have people talk about him

Well yes he's standing as an MP don't they usually court publicity?

Callistemon21

FarNotth's is not a disgusting post

It's asking why should we excuse wrongdoing just because someone has raised money for charity.

As I said there is no evidence of wrongdoing and the attempts to link gender change with abuse are disgusting.

As others have said, so did Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris.
Do you think they weren't so bad then, considering all the money they raised and what fun they were?
It was a good guise.

True Callistemon21, but ‘he’ is unlikely to admit that, and since I don’t ‘know’ anything concrete about Glorianny, ‘his’ visits to male toilets may have seemed perfectly reasonable. That’s for him to decide.
The issue is, males, even a dubious celebrity like IE, should not be in female toilets.

JaneJudge

can I stand for Sheffield instead? I have much stronger boundaries and I'm actually a woman

If I still lived there I'd vote for you, JJ

Blossoming

FarNorth you may not realise this but I am visually impaired and my eyes don’t necessarily see the same things as other peoples. I interpreted the photo wrongly, as I already said.

Blossoming I didn't know that, I'm sorry to hear it.

Well yes he's standing as an MP don't they usually court publicity?
Well you’re as confused as him now glorianna because you forgot to call him ‘she’ in that post ?

Glorianny

BlueBelle

I m not choosing a pronoun Glorianna I m just saying he is a man who sometimes likes to dress like a woman he’s not a she he hasn’t been operated on he chooses to swing
( good verb) between the two genders his business but somehow he always has to make it everyone’s business Why can’t he keep it to himself no one needs to know which preference he has this week and he needs to stay out of ladies toilets if he doesn’t want to use the gents he can go in the disabled toilets he just want to be in the public eye and have people talk about him

Well yes he's standing as an MP don't they usually court publicity?

Has he actually been selected as a PPC?

JaneJudge

having two women accompany you to the ladies toilet when you liked being a transvestite previously could actually point to someone getting sexual arousal and pleasure from the experience - of course it might not..

but never mind shrill women

Autogynaephilia shudder. ?

Wonder if EI put the seat down afterwards or washed his hands.

I don't see why why people don't see this as a violation. He is playing a game with women's rights and he doesn't give a shiny shit

I don't care what he dresses as btw or what he calls himself but he is making a statement going into the females toilets accompanied by women, it's narrow minded to think that is fine

So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles? Really I might have had some respect for the gender critical on GN unfortunately they've just destroyed it.
There is no link between Eddie and those men. Prince Charles raises money and runs a charity called the Prince's Trust. I take it it's OK to link him with Jimmy Saville? They were close and communicated regularly. He has more in common and closer ties to a paedophile than Eddie

FarNorth what a disgusting post. No one has ever suggested Eddie has ever behaved as those two have.

Glorianny I stated that I was not suggesting anything about Izzard.
The point is, that none of those or any other admirable traits can guarantee that someone is trustworthy.
When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

If you are happy with mixed-sex toilets Glorianny that's up to you .
Those of us (the majority, I'd guess) who want single-sex toilets & other places, would like those places to actually be single-sex.

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

I find the attempts to link gender change with sexual assault and paedophilia absolutely abhorrent.

I wasn't doing that.
I was linking being male with those things, based on well known facts.

The point is that Izzard isn't the only man wishing to encroach on women's rights in this way.
And no-one can know the motives of any of them.
Izzard has cross-dressed and used men's toilets for years. I don't believe he suddenly feels unsafe there.
He could have continued in that way and done even more to draw attention to men's right to do so.
But no, he has to join in with the encroachment on women's rights.

So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles

That is not what was said at all and you must know that.

Eddie has also raised thousands for charity running marathons.
By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about?

It is totally and absolutely irrelevant is the point which FarNorth made.

FarNorth

^FarNorth what a disgusting post. No one has ever suggested Eddie has ever behaved as those two have.^

Glorianny I stated that I was not suggesting anything about Izzard.
The point is, that none of those or any other admirable traits can guarantee that someone is trustworthy.
When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

If you are happy with mixed-sex toilets Glorianny that's up to you .
Those of us (the majority, I'd guess) who want single-sex toilets & other places, would like those places to actually be single-sex.

I refer you to my comment about King Charles. A man closely linked with a paedophile but who most would accept as a valuable philanthropist
Are you saying someone who wears dress and uses female toilets is less of a philanthropist? I can think of loads of reasons you would do. Better mirrors for checking your make up for example.

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

Callistemon21

^So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles^

That is not what was said at all and you must know that.

Eddie has also raised thousands for charity running marathons.
By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about?

It is totally and absolutely irrelevant is the point which FarNorth made.

It is quite possible to say something is irrelevant without introducing the names of convicted paedophiles.
Still nothing to say about KC?

Mollygo

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

*When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.*

As I said one of those lovable entertainers had a close relationship with our new king. I find that far more worrying.

Mollygo

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

*When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.*

Mollygo after so many posts do you still not recognise there is a difference beween gender and sex?

Glorianny

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

I've done lots of reading on the subject and I have experience and knowledge within care settings where men have jobs to access vulnerable women to gain sexual pleasure. Maybe you could read up on this too

We can't just pretend everything is ok and applaud this kind of behaviour. I'm sure as someone with entitlement he could have just had a private toilet within the facility, he was making a point, One which some of us feel is a vulgar and exploitative

Glorianny

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

And the evidence of this disproved theory? Gender identity is a theory there's not one scrap of evidence of its existence other than in the minds of its devotees. I suspect you were the poster trisher who often regaled us with using the mens loos. Any thought given to the men at the urinals who may have preferred not to have a woman walk past them? Do you have no respect for anyone other than those of whom you approve?