Eddie Izzard

???

Well, a dodgy curry excuses everything!
Vindaloo, here I come - open the windows, get out the air freshener

Ok. A man wants to use a women’s loo. He is famous, so gets his way. Many people object, but he is defended by Glorianny on the following grounds:
* She (G) has used opposite sex loos when caught short and she didn’t want to queue.
* Izzard has raised a lot of money for charity
* It was mitigated by the fact that he was accompanied by two women making sure that everyone in the 300-strong audience knew he was there, so were aware that they could cross their legs till he finished.
* Concern that allowing men into women’s loos opens the doors to other men with nefarious intent is ‘abhorrent’.
* King Charles also raises money for charity and like millions of others was taken in by Jimmy Saville, so Glorianny drags him into the mix.
* Philanthropists need better mirrors to check their make-up (No, I don’t see the relevance either, but still)
* Izzard using the Ladies is irrelevant because King Charles ’had a close relationship’ with Saville. (??)
* Autogynephilia is, according to Glorianny) a ‘disproved theory’.
*Concern that if loos become unisex across the piece people in care settings will be at risk is ‘dredging up’ reasons to object (said to a poster with a profoundly disabled daughter).
*The perennial claim (aka ‘the trisher defence’, named after an ex poster who used it ever time the subject of men in the Ladies came up) that it’s ok as nobody checks your sex.
*The fact that many/most men wouldn’t use the Ladies proves that they are ‘open to men’ (bear with me) and are just choosing not to (ok, I give up).
* Women and girls should accept that they are at risk in toilets, only use them in groups, and be alert.
* When women use public loos, their friends should watch in case a man needs to use them. (I’m not sure whether this is so that the women can be warned, or so that they can make way, but neither would be necessary if the man just used the male facilities).
* There are cases of women attacking other women, so adding an additional risk is fine.

All of the above, we are told, is ‘based on more accurate and street-wise data than ours’ and now that we are in the clearer light of day, it was all ‘just a little balance’ against the arguments that boiled down to saying it is not safe to give men access to women’s loos. Hmmmm.

Oh, and I can’t see any character assassination of Izzard whatsoever. The fact that opening female spaces to males would give access to perverts is not suggesting that Izzard is a pervert, and makes no more sense than saying ‘some grass is green, some frogs are green, so some frogs are actually grass’.

Yes and presumably there was a toilet available for Eddie to do that. As there would be a toilet available for all the other men.

Women have born subjection annihilation for so long for ever it seems, have struggled so hard to forge our own identity. And now must suffer humiliation, as if we are only tits arses and vaginas that men can simply parody and so claim Womanhood where is respect for human dignity in all of this. Men can only ever have a projected vision of Women from their male nature. Those who deny sexual differences conflate gender and sex are oblivious that Truth in itself is a state of consciousness.

VioletSky We are now linking Eddie Izzard having a wee in a toilet she feels comfy in with pedophiles as if that is a completely rational argument.

No we are saying all these people have one thing in common, they have a penis. And if you allow the harmless ones to enter ladies toilets then that gives permission for the dangerous ones to enter them as well. The criteria for using a ladies' toilet should be 'no penis'.

We are now linking Eddie Izzard having a wee in a toilet she feels comfy in with pedophiles as if that is a completely rational argument.
You’d better speak to Glorianny about that one. Many of us pointed out that that was not what was happening at all, but as Vic Reeves used to say ‘she wouldn’t let it lie’

I mean I would get it if the usual practise was to run around the restroom waving your bits about and going "woowooo" but we generally like a private cubicle.

Without the existence of trans people, men who meant harm could very easily walk into many ladies loos and they wouldn't even need a skirt or to be a dab hand at contouring to do so.

If however people start walking around restrooms taking pictures of others etc, do feel free to throw them out because that is very definitely disgusting behaviour and they should keep their phones in their pants.

VioletSky

GrannyGravy13

I really cannot get my head round why it is that some females think it is perfectly acceptable for men complete with the genitalia they were born with to access female only spaces, in particular toilets.

Can you not see that it is men yet again wishing to control/deny women?

Because that's not the truth

Ultimately trans people need a wee and sometimes a poo of they are desperate enough do so in a public restroom due to a dodgy curry or something.

Might be your truth VioletSky

We are talking about Eddie Izzard, who sometimes dresses as a women when it suits him.

He is playing his fans and public, he is saying I can do what the hell I like and sod natal born women.

I really am totally over If I wear a dress, false breasts, high heels and a face full of makeup, I am a women bollocks

If you have a penis and testicles you are a MAN and therefore should not access any designated female only facilities.

If this makes me a flat earther where do I enrol?

Doodledog love your spot on summery

I absolutely agree.

Non-binary lavatories are the way to go.

I've laughed so much at my own jokes I need a wee now

I'm horrified at the thought that there may be a penis behind a closed and locked door.

I'll tell my sons and husband they are forthwith banned from the bathroom and they can all go take wild wees in the garden and traumatise the wildlife.

VioletSky

I mean I would get it if the usual practise was to run around the restroom waving your bits about and going "woowooo" but we generally like a private cubicle.

Without the existence of trans people, men who meant harm could very easily walk into many ladies loos and they wouldn't even need a skirt or to be a dab hand at contouring to do so.

If however people start walking around restrooms taking pictures of others etc, do feel free to throw them out because that is very definitely disgusting behaviour and they should keep their phones in their pants.

Maybe you should actually read the article, VS?

Whitewavemark2

I absolutely agree.

Non-binary lavatories are the way to go.

As a third category Whitewavemark2 ?

I cannot see having all non-binary facilities would help women feel safe, any women who have strong faith would be denied access to toilet facilities which in itself is discrimination.

Male visitors to my house need to take their genitals off before they enter... they can store them in their shoes.

VioletSky

Male visitors to my house need to take their genitals off before they enter... they can store them in their shoes.

Presumably you only have people in your home you have invited?

As you are fully aware this is not the case in Public Lavatories.

Your argument has more holes than a kitchen colander.

Ramping up? RTWT.
The basic message is men are not female and shouldn’t be in female spaces.
The harm is not necessarily a physical attack. It can just be making females feel unsafe.
(Side track à la mode de tri) The person following me along a dark empty road may have no ill intent at all, but makes me feel very unsafe.
Saying that one particular male means no harm, ignores the fact that he has no idea and/or doesn’t care how wrong he is or how uncomfortable his presence there makes even one woman feel and is totally unaware of the fact that his action is seen by other more aware males.
We’ve had the women can attack women in toilets as well ?? used as an excuse for letting men in female spaces.
If you’re male, use male spaces OR campaign for TIM and TIW spaces instead of taking female spaces.

I can't see a problem with this. Lots of bars and restaurants where I live only have one restroom. The same with disabled facilities. I have yet to see one designated for females and another for males.
I don't approve of communal changing rooms. But surely we all close the doors whilst on the lavatory.

VioletSky

Male visitors to my house need to take their genitals off before they enter... they can store them in their shoes.

So what does Eddie Izzard do if he enters your house claiming to be a woman and wearing a skirt? Would you allow him/her to be exempt?

I must say you're on form today, Violetsky, you're coming up with some cracking ideas.

Well worth considering, how do we get the laws passed??
A Private Member's Bill?

I would prefer not to have use unisex facilities. Asking for a third set is fine, but I think we have to realise that not all venues will have the money or space to provide them.

I have posted before about my friend who was assaulted in a Ladies many years ago, and was saved from rape instead of serious sexual assault because someone was concerned about a man heading for the Ladies - if men were able to go in and out legitimately the alarm would not have been raised.

Not only that, let's face it - many men wee on the floor, leave the seat up and never check that they are leaving the loo as they found it. Even the nice ones . I have no wish to have to share with them when I can't even shout at them and point them in the direction of the Toilet Duck.

A Private Member's Bill?

Bum bum!

Interesting how these threads are ramping up

I's interesting how they are being moderated too. I've been instructed several times this week not to mention people with disabilities and women in care settings. Why does it make people feel so uncomfortable?

Grannygravy

Of course I am the only one who invites males into my house.

I matter the most and anyone of the male persuasion doesn't have any right to invite people into a home we share just because they also live here.

My husband and children must apply in triplicate stating that to the best of their knowledge if anyone they invite in has a penis that penis has been on its absolute best behaviour.

I also conduct spot tests on anyone I deem not appropriately feminine by running over, shouting "yoink" and pulling their bottoms down.

Trades people may have a penis so they must perform all their duties through partially opened windows. Think keyhole surgery. There is nothing a plumber can't do with a spanner attached to a broom handle

Also fwiw, I think EI is doing trans people a disadvantage with his current behaviour

I don’t think anybody objects to the single door, one in, one out being unisex Sky Bird. In fact it would solve a lot of problems f they all were.

The feeling unsafe comes when you emerge from the cubicle into the wash your hands area and there is just one other person there, not going to the toilet or washing their hands or brushing their hair. Doing nothing in fact except waiting for you to come out of the toilet.

Believe me, that’s scary.