Eddie Izzard

But VioletSky your home solutions will not solve the problem. We will need proper Equipment Inspectors at the entrance to any public loo. They will respectfully ask you to lift your skirt/drop your pants to inspect your equipment. Only those with the correct equipment will be admitted. Refusing to show your equipment or trying to keep your pants on will mean you are barred. And you'll have to join the wild wee-ers!

VS the pic was NOT taken in the toilet but outside it, when he was in full view of around 300 people.

Presumably you only invite people into your house that you know and trust violetsky

Or do you feel that your children should just take their chances with a free for all.

So do we assume that EI prior to the engagement sent out a directive indicating that he would want to use the ladies facilities and require two female attendants to enable him to do so, which would indicate he had decided that on that day he would be presenting as female? Or was this a last minute (out of necessity) decision. Either way EI chose to do so, presumably as a celebrity! working on the premise that any and all publicity would be better than none.

VioletSky

Grannygravy

Of course I am the only one who invites males into my house.

I matter the most and anyone of the male persuasion doesn't have any right to invite people into a home we share just because they also live here.

My husband and children must apply in triplicate stating that to the best of their knowledge if anyone they invite in has a penis that penis has been on its absolute best behaviour.

I also conduct spot tests on anyone I deem not appropriately feminine by running over, shouting "yoink" and pulling their bottoms down.

Trades people may have a penis so they must perform all their duties through partially opened windows. Think keyhole surgery. There is nothing a plumber can't do with a spanner attached to a broom handle

VioletSky your post is just rather silly in my opinion and not helping towards Eddie Izzard’s presumed right to enter female only designated spaces.

Glorianny

But VioletSky your home solutions will not solve the problem. We will need proper Equipment Inspectors at the entrance to any public loo. They will respectfully ask you to lift your skirt/drop your pants to inspect your equipment. Only those with the correct equipment will be admitted. Refusing to show your equipment or trying to keep your pants on will mean you are barred. And you'll have to join the wild wee-ers!

You have quite a fixation on this scenario, don't you?

And Eddie Izzard is very famous. Even I have heard of him. He doesn't need to expose himself for people to know that he is a man. Where dies that situation fit in your perennial 'nobody checks' defence?

Glorianny

But VioletSky your home solutions will not solve the problem. We will need proper Equipment Inspectors at the entrance to any public loo. They will respectfully ask you to lift your skirt/drop your pants to inspect your equipment. Only those with the correct equipment will be admitted. Refusing to show your equipment or trying to keep your pants on will mean you are barred. And you'll have to join the wild wee-ers!

I'm not opposed to a wild wee but that does sound like a reasonable solution.

The only thing that worries me is whether I conform to vagina standards of beauty.

I've had 5 children and the woman doing my smear once told me that I could "have that put back together if I wanted too"

No man has ever judged my vagina so perhaps someone of the male persuasion would be better?

The criteria for using a ladies' toilet should be 'no penis'.

And as no-one is checking genitals (thanks for that info G) the rule is 'no males', which it has been forever.

Female people don't want male people in toilets, however innocent any individual male night be, because it's embarrassing as well as creating unnecessary risk.

I suppose glorianny and violetsky will think I’m rather prudish but I find the idea of a man in the next cubicle wanking to the sound of me peeing quite off putting.

With their street knowledge I’m sure they know that many men find ‘golden showers” a big turn on.

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The criteria for using a toilet should be fulfilling a basic human function or using the mirror to make sure other human females won't judge your stray hairs or lipstick on teeth faux pars or hiding from small children while you update your social media status.

It's very simple

Lathyrus

I suppose glorianny and violetsky will think I’m rather prudish but I find the idea of a man in the next cubicle wanking to the sound of me peeing quite off putting.

With their street knowledge I’m sure they know that many men find ‘golden showers” a big turn on.

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Lol best joke on this thread so far

VioletSky

Glorianny

But VioletSky your home solutions will not solve the problem. We will need proper Equipment Inspectors at the entrance to any public loo. They will respectfully ask you to lift your skirt/drop your pants to inspect your equipment. Only those with the correct equipment will be admitted. Refusing to show your equipment or trying to keep your pants on will mean you are barred. And you'll have to join the wild wee-ers!

I'm not opposed to a wild wee but that does sound like a reasonable solution.

The only thing that worries me is whether I conform to vagina standards of beauty.

I've had 5 children and the woman doing my smear once told me that I could "have that put back together if I wanted too"

No man has ever judged my vagina so perhaps someone of the male persuasion would be better?

There's always vajazzles! Will a full Brazilian be required to ensure proper visibility I wonder?

Men commit the vast vast majority of violent sexual crimes. Everyone knows this. Pretending that acknowledging this fact is an 'obsession with genitals' is beyond odd. Some people find talking about Male violence really difficult. I doubt so will continue to discuss it.

Hmm, does anyone else find all this jokiness about the possibility of men assaulting women a bit like boys night at the pub.

Me, I don’t think it’s funny.

Turning it into a joke is what men do to persuade themselves it wasnt so bad really.

VioletSky

Male visitors to my house need to take their genitals off before they enter... they can store them in their shoes.

Random passing strangers visit your house to use your communal bathroom where you may be in one of the other cubicles VS?
That's really unusual and not what happens in many homes .

Lathyrus

Hmm, does anyone else find all this jokiness about the possibility of men assaulting women a bit like boys night at the pub.

Me, I don’t think it’s funny.

I agree

There is absolutely nothing funny about a woman feeling vulnerable in what should be a Female only space.

Making jokes invalidates the already weak argument for allowing men into female only spaces.

Lathyrus

Turning it into a joke is what men do to persuade themselves it wasnt so bad really.

Yep, I didn’t mean to hit you, flash at you continue with penetration it was your fault you made me do it.

Pathetic attempt to validate mens uncontrollable urges.

I don't link trans people with men who assault women Lathyrus

That is actually the main issue with everything here isn't it.

That's exactly why these threads are discriminatory.

You can't see the trees for the wood

It's embarrassing for men too. My son returned to his college job this week and found 2 of his female students in the staff shared loo.One told him she identified as 'they' and he felt very uncomfortable. Surely students should not share with staff.

Thanks Violetsky for your deliberate or unintended protagonist stance, your imagery of a proto-trans is really enlightening. Serves well in bringing clarity and deepening my understanding of the impoverishment for all humanity this ideology is bringing into being.

Lathyrus

I suppose glorianny and violetsky will think I’m rather prudish but I find the idea of a man in the next cubicle wanking to the sound of me peeing quite off putting.

With their street knowledge I’m sure they know that many men find ‘golden showers” a big turn on.

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There is a whole world of 'preferences' surrounding lavatories and menstruation that I prefer not to dwell on. I dare say that it's 'niche' (I assume so, anyway) and the chances of inadvertently taking part in someone's masturbatory fantasy are remote, but surely doing so should be optional?

I am very much more concerned about the reduction of space for women, and the more straightforward safety aspects. We already have fewer loos, and take longer in them for physiological reasons. Women have needs other than excretion that they attend to in loos. Washing your hands after inserting a tampon during a heavy period for instance, or cleaning a Mooncup need privacy. It's not really ideal to have to do it in a communal sink space, but a lot less so in a mixed space.

Women might need to express concern to one another if a man is threatening them. Having somewhere that he can't go can be a literal lifesaver in some (albeit rare) circumstances. What's the point of the 'Ask for Angela' campaigns* if there is nowhere a woman can go without being followed?

*I am aware of their drawbacks before it is pointed out. My point is that there is a need for such ideas, whether they work or not.

Lathyrus

Hmm, does anyone else find all this jokiness about the possibility of men assaulting women a bit like boys night at the pub.

Me, I don’t think it’s funny.

It's puerile.

We’re talking about males having access to women in a vunerable place.

You thought my previous post was the “best joke so far”.

I thought it was assault even though I wasn’t touched at all.

FarNorth

VioletSky

Male visitors to my house need to take their genitals off before they enter... they can store them in their shoes.

Random passing strangers visit your house to use your communal bathroom where you may be in one of the other cubicles VS?
That's really unusual and not what happens in many homes .

oh fgs FarNorth where's your sense of humour?