Eddie Izzard

VioletSky Eddie Izzard is not trans

He sometimes dresses as a women, he also dresses as a man when it suits him.

He is playing his fans and fanning the flames of celebrity/notoriety.

Lathyrus said
I suppose glorianny and violetsky will think I’m rather prudish but I find the idea of a man in the next cubicle wanking to the sound of me peeing quite off putting.

With their street knowledge I’m sure they know that many men find ‘golden showers” a big turn on.


VS said
Lol best joke on this thread so far

If you like, I could try to locate a lengthy video I once saw (part of, as it was revolting) of numerous men dressed as 'women' doing exactly that.
It should give you a good giggle.

kircubbin2000

It's embarrassing for men too. My son returned to his college job this week and found 2 of his female students in the staff shared loo.One told him she identified as 'they' and he felt very uncomfortable. Surely students should not share with staff.

They do where I work, and not only that, the Ladies in the building I use most is now 'Gender Neutral'. No escape from students or from men.

I'm long past menstruation, but most students aren't, and I feel for them having to deal with that when laddish types are hovering over them. It's far from dignified for female staff to have to do it and then go back and teach, either.

All in the name of a small minority who refuse to accept their minority status and are forcing their agenda on the rest of us.

Stormystar

Thanks Violetsky for your deliberate or unintended protagonist stance, your imagery of a proto-trans is really enlightening. Serves well in bringing clarity and deepening my understanding of the impoverishment for all humanity this ideology is bringing into being.

I have no idea what this means so I'll take it as a compliment

Thank you

Now I'm off to do the ironing and add padlocks to all the zippers.

I don't know about you but I think we need to take this further than walls and locked doors.

The idea that just a layer or two of flimsy materiel is all that stands between me and a possible penis in a public space is just.... Well it's terrifying really

VioletSky

I don't link trans people with men who assault women Lathyrus

That is actually the main issue with everything here isn't it.

That's exactly why these threads are discriminatory.

You can't see the trees for the wood

How do you know who are real trans people and who are abusive men VS?

You can't even rely on the good old genitals check for that.

You seem to be the one who is not seeing the full picture.

VioletSky

Stormystar

Thanks Violetsky for your deliberate or unintended protagonist stance, your imagery of a proto-trans is really enlightening. Serves well in bringing clarity and deepening my understanding of the impoverishment for all humanity this ideology is bringing into being.

I have no idea what this means so I'll take it as a compliment

Thank you

Now I'm off to do the ironing and add padlocks to all the zippers.

I don't know about you but I think we need to take this further than walls and locked doors.

The idea that just a layer or two of flimsy materiel is all that stands between me and a possible penis in a public space is just.... Well it's terrifying really

Still making light of assault and rape.

I really don’t know what else to say?

Yep. It's a laugh isnt it. Consent boundaries etc. Layers of safeguarding. All hilarious. Like those silly bits of paper. What are they called? Oh yes DBS checks. Silly to think a piece of paper would add anything to safeguarding. We should probably abolish them. After all if an abusive person wants to hurt someone they will do it anyway.

Mollygo says Saying that one particular male means no harm, ignores the fact that he has no idea and/or doesn’t care how wrong he is

Well said. The ‘meant no harm’ argument could be extended to men wolf-whistling at women in the street, unwanted flirting, ‘touching up’ women - ‘Sorry, guvnor, I didn’t mean no harm, it was just a joke.’

Dear god, we’re back to the days of women being called bad sports or frigid for rejecting men they went nothing to do with.

VioletSky you are extremely lucky if as a female you have never felt vulnerable in a public space, never been verbally or physically assaulted by a male or been flashed at.

If you had experienced even one of the above you should be able to understand why female only spaces are essential, particularly public lavatories.

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We take it too seriously……

FarNorth

VS the pic was NOT taken in the toilet but outside it, when he was in full view of around 300 people.

Don't let little details like what actually happened get in the way of farcical 'humour' about sausages and genital prosthetics ?.

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Seriously?

VS, are you threatening *Lathyrus for pulling you up on your belittling the concerns of those of us who are not happy about men being allowed in female spaces by accusing her of point-scoring?

When you look at the feeble efforts of the trans-rights supporters on this thread to excuse Izzard's arrogant behaviour there is absolutely no room for accusations of point-scoring! Dragging in the King, and making childish 'sausage' jokes may not score points for rational argument, but they are most definitely attempts to 'get one over' on those who value women's rights.

We are going to keep talking about Male violence.

And we are not going to centre the feelings of men in that discussion.
Which rule of misogyny is it again?
The worst thing about Male violence is that it makes men look bad.

One thing that this thread has exposed is the paucity of valid arguments against the objections to men having free access to women's spaces.

When the frankly idiotic ones about Izzard failed, the next stage is to belittle women with 'hilarious' suggestions that our concerns are over-reactions.

All of this to excuse an over-privileged man who was prepared to make the women in his audience wait while he used the wrong loo. Talk about internalised patriarchy!

VS
The only thing that worries me is whether I conform to vagina standards of beauty.

I've had 5 children and the woman doing my smear once told me that I could "have that put back together if I wanted too"

No man has ever judged my vagina so perhaps someone of the male persuasion would be better?
This post is truly sick, nothing to do with saddo Izzard, and rather narcissistic IMO, but then . . .

No one is making light of abuse . We are mildly amused by your concept that banning transpeople from using their loo of choice is something that will improve women's safety. In fact I think it is downright irresponsible to say to any woman or girl that the sign on the door will provide them with any protection from a predatory male. The place the loo is in, the amount of usage and the time of day are all better indicators of when there may be danger.
Pretending that you care more than others about women's safety may make you feel better, just as targeting transpeople might, but really? Doesn't the fact that you need to do such things ever worry you?

Nothing to do with transpeople. Men. No men. All men. Not targeted. Treated the same as any other man.

I don't see a "threat" in the post by VioletSky on Sun 02-Oct-22 at 12:22:50.

In our area we have public toilets that are unisex. They are sturdily built, have their own sinks and open up directly on to the car park. If anyone has had a wank there whilst I've been weeing, I am none the wiser. All our disabled toilets are unisex and if you have to use the toilet at a Garage, they often are too.

I think there is a way to have a unisex toilet but as someone who suffers from IBS where accidents happen, I don't want to be cleaning up in full view of a single sex group or unisex area.

I get the Safe Space for women, I really do. I am also a sexual abuse survivor but if I didn't believe that the majority of men don't want to threaten, abuse or hurt me, I'd go mad. Once I walk into a sturdy cubicle with no viewing holes, I have my safe space.

I really think there is a way forward for women to feel safe, transgender people (who are equally unsafe in a man's toilet) to feel safe and for us all to be protected when it comes to toilets. In other spaces, like Women's Shelters, I feel totally differently.

Funny that Dragging in the King is such a crime.No mention of the paedophiles dragged in to try and discredit Izzard? I suppose that's OK?
(Mind the King has far more close contacts with paedophiles than Izzard)

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Glorianny

Funny that Dragging in the King is such a crime.No mention of the paedophiles dragged in to try and discredit Izzard? I suppose that's OK?
(Mind the King has far more close contacts with paedophiles than Izzard)

No, it's not a crime - just irrelevant.

And for the hundredth time, nobody tried to discredit Izzard. Nobody. If you can't see the difference between saying that if men are allowed into female facilities then that would have included Harris and Saville, and 'discrediting' Izzard then I have to conclude that you don't understand English.

Galaxy

Nothing to do with transpeople. Men. No men. All men. Not targeted. Treated the same as any other man.

Yup.