The Brexit Effect

As predicted the right wing rags, the Bruge group and of course the ERG crowd are “warning” the government.

You know, it is almost as if the whole thing has been manipulated by them, after the result of the polls showing that a big majority now understand what a catastrophic mistake Brexit was.

I don’t think that they will find the public so easily fooled now.

They appear now to be on the wrong side of history.

“I don’t think that they will find the public so easily fooled now.”

They will do whatever the media tells them to !.

Whitewave I think that's a response to the rumours that a "Swiss style" arrangement is being considered. The ERG crowd think Sunak has gone soft and they want an even "harder" Brexit.

The “Swiss arrangement” is a fact accompli engineered by the Swiss and has been a thorn in the EU side for many years. The EU allowed them to continue of favorable terms in the hope that they would fall in line with the rules, they havn’t, they continue to cherry pick the parts that suits them. Although commercial goods do go through customs borders it’s a very unsatisfactory system that suits the Swiss.

There is no way the EU will agree to the UK having similar arrangements, that is why they have been so intransigent with NI protocol,

Once again, I agree with you Katie. I don't know what or who has been behind the rumours about a Swiss style arrangement. It's all smoke and mirrors and politics. It could be a response to the polls and the government trying to give the impression it's doing something (but what do I know?) In reality, I don't think it has any solution. I think the Swiss agreement took 20 years to negotiate and, as you say, the EU doesn't like it, but its hand was forced.

All this 'Swiss deal@ talk reminds me of the early days of the post Brexit vote when talk was of ,Norway, and 'Canada style' agreements.

It's all pie in the sky stuff that's still trying to preserve the illusion that the UK is free to chose what relationship we have with the EU. When in fact it's the EU that would be making choices.

Anyway, No. 10 seems to be desperately rowing back on that rumour...

So now we have Farage, Frost and the loony Right of the Tory Party threatening Sunak over the Swiss story. He runs for cover straightaway and for good measure Jenrick is wheeled out to say the CBI is wrong about the need for a more practical immigration policy to put business back on its feet. Sunak should withdraw the whip from about 10 MPs on his benches so they can never stand again as Tories. Let them crash and burn as Faragists at the next GE. That would quieten down the rest of the loonies and we might get a sensible policy going forward. Otherwise, it's business as usual.

But Sunak is far closer to the loony right of the party than most of the electorate realise.

Yes, that is true MayBee70 but he needs to distance himself from the loonies - he has to manage the rest of his MPs who are rather more One Nation or worried about the next GE. Once in the top job one needs to take a more detached view in my opinion.

At the CBI conference Sunak stated that there are no plans to adopt any EU rules so we can assume the current stand off with the EU will continue.

As I said Katie59 it's business as usual, i.e., a mess up.

Why can they not see what the CBI and every British exporter can see -we cannot export to the EU without adhering the EU rules.?

Because of the disaster of Brexit exporters are now encumbered with huge amounts of beaurocracy but at least if they know their products conform to EU rules, they should be able to trade if we adhere to EU standards.

Do these ERG loons who seem to pull the strings of our "conservative government" actually want to turn their backs on EU standards and make exporting to the EU virtually impossible?

The irony is that we do actually comply with EU standards because the rules were simply adopted into UK law wholesale, so far few if any have been changed. Because the EU is no longer allowed to verify standards every consignment has to be inspected.
Madness.

Madness would be multiplied to the n'th degree if all EU standards no longer applied as is the policy of the ERG government.

I read somewhere that every exported cow has to have an individual vet certificate. Is that right?

Grantanow

I read somewhere that every exported cow has to have an individual vet certificate. Is that right?

I had a look on the government website. It just talked of the required ear tags. Nothing about documentation.

gov.wales/exporting-uk-livestock-eu-1-january-2021

this is about documentation. not very helpful..

www.gov.uk/guidance/export-live-animals-special-rules#documents-to-transport-live-animals

You would only export breeding stock, I’m pretty sure there would need to be a health declaration to satisfy destination country rules, there have been breeding cattle coming into the UK in recent months. Generally it’s much more efficient to export or import embryos or semen than actual animals