The Brexit Effect

Snap Maizie. Sorry!

It’s funny how the government can make U turns and change its mind all the time , yet if anyone challenges Brexit it’s the will of the people and they can’t change their minds?

vegansrock

It’s funny how the government can make U turns and change its mind all the time , yet if anyone challenges Brexit it’s the will of the people and they can’t change their minds?

More importantly it’s the will of the Tory party, it’s clear nothing is going to change for at least 2 yrs, in the mean time ultra austerity.

growstuff

Snap Maizie. Sorry!

Great minds think alike 😆

I thought Vicky Atkins MP was totally flummoxed by the audience member on QT last night who highlighted the Brexit obstacles to exporting faced by his small business. He was much applauded by the audience. All she could do was refer to the referendum decision and that the government had been busy with other things. After 6 years? And Johnson claiming it would be hassle free? Where are the Rees-Moggian 'Brexit opportunities'? Another useless Minister.

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Brexit is listed as a spectacular own goal, in a list of own goals that this government can be held responsible for by Paul Johnson Director of IFS, today. He also includes cuts to education, saying that FE didn't get a mention in the budget. Now, I wonder why that is?

So single market being suggested under the guise of a “Swiss style relationship”

Good.

Whitewavemark2

So single market being suggested under the guise of a “Swiss style relationship”

Good.

'Swiss style relationship' eh?

Sunak loses his majority and we have a general election then?

The ERG loons would never stand for it....

Bring it on...

Interesting to think that the "Swiss style relationship" has taken 50 years to get where it is now. Assuming we can put the tendency to blame and insult the EU to one side and that we have actually go something to build on, I still don't see us having much to write home about by the next election.

Not that I am not happy they are looking at any way of getting back to proper trading agreements with our biggest, closest market. Any start is better than the mess of the last 6 years.

This is how The Swiss did it: (from the bottom up)

2022: Start of exploratory talks with the EU on the Federal Council’s proposal for a new negotiation package (press release of 25 February 2022)
2021: Termination of negotiations on an institutional agreement; it will not be concluded
2019: Signing of the Agreement on the participation in the area of police cooperation (Prüm Decision)
2017: Signing of the Agreement between Switzerland and the EU on the linking of their emissions trading systems
2017: Full association of Switzerland in «Horizon 2020»
2016: Decision by Parliament on the implementation of Art. 121a Cst
2016: Signing of Protocol III extending the free movement of persons to Croatia
2015: Signing of the Agreement on the Automatic Exchange of Information in Tax Matters
2014: Signing of the EASO participation Agreement (European Asylum Support Office)
2014: Adoption of the federal popular initiative «Stop Mass Immigration»
2013: Adoption by the Federal Council of a mandate to negotiate an agreement on institutional matters
2013: Signing of the Satellite Navigation Cooperation Agreement
2013: Signing of the Agreement on Competition
2012: Signing of the Agreement on the European Defence Agency
2010: Signing of the Agreement on Education, Training and Youth
2009: Continuation of the free movement of persons and extension to Romania and Bulgaria
2008: Signing of the Agreement with Eurojust
2006: Adoption by the Swiss electorate of the Federal Act on Cooperation with the Countries of Eastern Europe
2005: Extension of the free movement of persons to the EU10
2004: Signing of the Agreement with Europol
2004: Signing of Bilaterals II (Schengen/Dublin, taxation of savings income, combating fraud, processed agricultural products, environment, statistics, MEDIA programme, pensions)
1999: Signing of Bilaterals I (free movement of persons, technical barriers to trade, public procurement, agriculture, overland transport, civil aviation, research)
1992: Rejection of EEA membership by the Swiss electorate
1990: Signing of the Agreement on Customs Facilitation and Security
1989: Signing of the Insurance Agreement
1972: Signing of the Switzerland–EU Free Trade Agreement

Daisy 😬
Let's hope this bunch can actually learn from this!!
(I do realise learning from others is not high in their "skillset")

The Swiss arrangement is not a quick fix. It took years and years to negotiate. But that won't stop the loonies on the Right of the Tory Party from causing trouble for Sunak if he mentions the idea. The UK made a terrible mistake over Brexit and both Parties are terrified of the numpties who still think it was a good idea despite all the evidence. There is no quick way back alas.

The tide does seem to be turning as the elephant in the room becomes too hard to ignore.

Even the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, which bears much responsibilty for relentlessly promoting Farage and his dangerous nonsense for years, actually broadcast an item on R4 "The World at One" to day where they openly discussed the damage done by Brexit and interviewed a regretful leave voter. (item started around 1.15pm).

Of course, this had to be "balanced" with an interview with Teresa Villiers, onetime NI Secretary who still talks about "Brexit freedoms" and tries to big up our puny post brexit trade deals. I wonder whether even she still believes this rubbish.

^ But that won't stop the loonies on the Right of the Tory Party from causing trouble for Sunak if he mentions the idea.^

I really hope, Grantanow that they cause him so much bother that we have to have a general election.

It is more than time that we got rid of this utterly pointless, talentless and incompetent government. Not that I have huge confidence in the alternative, but at least they seem to have some concern about the disintegration of our public services and making a start on 'greening' the UK.

Starmer will have to start changing his narrative about the Single Market, though...

I agree MaizieD.

Starmer is beginning to look sadly out of step. There is a danger of him becoming a bit of a sad Theresa May figure, desperate to play down his Remainer credentials for fear of the right wing press and the brexit voters. It is time he remembered that the majority of LP voters voted Remain.

I haven’t given up on Starmer quite yet.

I am still hoping that he is playing the waiting game, because the right wing rags would shriek blue murder if there was a tiny hint of Labour wanting closer relations.

It would be a better choice to wait until much nearer the election when the manifestos are being drawn up and it will be much easier to measure the publics opinion regarding to closer relations.

I think he’s happy to watch the Conservative part tear itself apart. I’ve seen comments on Facebook saying how that’s what happens when you have a remainer PM because so many people don’t realise that Sunak is a right wing brexiter. He has to strengthen ties with Europe to help the economy but, by doing so he’s alienating himself from his own party. Gruesomely fascinating stuff!

I am still hoping that he is playing the waiting game, because the right wing rags would shriek blue murder if there was a tiny hint of Labour wanting closer relations

That would be all the newspapers owned by Non Doms.

I am feeling slightly encouraged by the fact that even the BBC is talking about Brexit and not just ignoring the effects.

HousePlantQueen

^I am still hoping that he is playing the waiting game, because the right wing rags would shriek blue murder if there was a tiny hint of Labour wanting closer relations^

That would be all the newspapers owned by Non Doms.

I am feeling slightly encouraged by the fact that even the BBC is talking about Brexit and not just ignoring the effects.

Yes - there is definitely a sea change.

I think that the tipping point had been reached as far as the British public are concerned together with many MPs.

The tail is still wagging the dog though.

The ERG and right wing press still have the government in its grip though, so Sunak’s hand is always going to be tied.

Not so Starmer if he wins the next election.

A word of caution - sensible I think on reflection


“Dmitry Grozoubinski
@DmitryOpines
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Re: "Switzerland Style Deal"

Have we learned nothing in 6 years?

You can and should ignore any Times/Telegraph story wherein "sources" say government ministers have unilaterally and without consultations with the EU decided on a new <country>-model form of EU-UK relations.”

The EU economy is also dire - my sister lives in Cork and they are having the same economic problems as the UK

Not quite the same. Brexit has made our economic woes much worse than the EU, then we had Liz Truss.

varian

The tide does seem to be turning as the elephant in the room becomes too hard to ignore.

Even the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, which bears much responsibilty for relentlessly promoting Farage and his dangerous nonsense for years, actually broadcast an item on R4 "The World at One" to day where they openly discussed the damage done by Brexit and interviewed a regretful leave voter. (item started around 1.15pm).

Of course, this had to be "balanced" with an interview with Teresa Villiers, onetime NI Secretary who still talks about "Brexit freedoms" and tries to big up our puny post brexit trade deals. I wonder whether even she still believes this rubbish.

I don;t think you can blame the BBC. In order to balance the discussions they had to have people in favour of Brexit involved in the discussions. Sadly there were very few people who were prepared to talk about the benefits of leaving and so we had the likes of Farage, Digby Jones etc, all of whom were bigoted and a complete wast of space. i spent hours on and off shouting at the tv.

Now ITV news in the morning is much braver and they don't always manage to get govt ministers because the latter are cowards and don't want to be given a hard time.

I don;t think you can blame the BBC. In order to balance the discussions they had to have people in favour of Brexit involved in the discussions.

Did you see Emily Maitlis talking about this in her McTaggart Lecture last summer?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzqezAV3x_8

It's a very debateable issue.

a poll of GB News viewers has shown 55% would now Not vote for Brexit

Ha ha ha ha 😂 😆 😄 🤣