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And the next prime Minister will be………

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Oct-22 14:06:11

Who?

DaisyAnne Fri 21-Oct-22 13:11:45

sharon103

Bring back Boris. Or Rishi Sunak

Sharon what do you think Boris will do for the country?

Fleurpepper Fri 21-Oct-22 13:21:12

sharon103

Bring back Boris. Or Rishi Sunak

I know we are meant to be polite here, but honestly- how anyone can want to bring back Johnson and be of sound mind, is just impossible to even think about.

If he is brought back, 100s of 1000s of us will take to the streets, me included.

It is just beyong belief that the new PM could be chosen by Monday, and we still do not know who is actually standing!

The whole world watches in disbelief and the country is now, more than ever, the laughing stock. How sad and tragic.

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-22 13:45:45

The markets (you know, the ones that did for Truss's budget) don't seem to like the idea of Johnson. The pound is falling and gilt yields are up (that's bad)

twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1583434848898756608

CatsCatsCats Fri 21-Oct-22 13:49:37

Boris will be better than Liz Truss, that's for sure, but I'd much prefer a general election. Just for a completely new start - the government at the moment hasn't a clue what it is doing.

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-22 14:00:28

CatsCatsCats

Boris will be better than Liz Truss, that's for sure, but I'd much prefer a general election. Just for a completely new start - the government at the moment hasn't a clue what it is doing.

What makes you think that, Cats?. The markets don't seem to be very enthusiastic...

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Oct-22 14:05:26

There is another very important aspect just discussed on the World at 1. It was the report on the international reaction to current UK events. Apart from the laughing stock factor, there are genuine serious concerns about the UK having someone credible to work with internationally.

Boris Johnson was quite prepared to flout international law to try get round the NI difficulties. it has not been forgotten. If we cannot work together under reasonable international laws as collectives of democracies then we are inviting the further rising of power of dictators as in Russia and China.

That is what he is remembered for. that's his "Rep" when it comes to really serious issues. And his credibility abroad was also undermined by the charges brought against him and the way he U turned when his mates got into trouble.

Now there is respect for the UK in regard to its part in the war in Ukraine, but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any other Tory or indeed Labour Party/Lib/Dems/ Scots Nats leader have any attitude or policy different from BJ. The other front runners would absolutely continue the same policy under the guiding hand of Ben Wallace.

Yes, Mr A, Mrs B or Ms C as in a number of individuals may indeed hanker for BJ back:

but we are kidding ourselves if we think there is a whole emotional wave of the British Public (who were disgusted by his lack of integrity - losing by elections like there was no tomorrow) - and brought about his resignation after pressure on their MP's - want to see him back.

Wheniwasyourage Fri 21-Oct-22 14:25:56

Good post, Wyllow3

Zoejory Fri 21-Oct-22 14:26:41

I've read that Ben Wallace might back Boris Johnson. I could be wrong

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Oct-22 14:45:27

He has NOT backed him but he has not ruled him out. He was very specific on that point. It was raised with him.

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Oct-22 14:49:09

(..just thought...given his position, ie clearly Wallace will stay in post, it probably it would be unwise of him to back any one candidate)

Zoejory Fri 21-Oct-22 15:02:30

That's why I said might!

Zoejory Fri 21-Oct-22 15:04:44

Ben Wallace said he was leaving towards Boris Johnson actually

Zoejory Fri 21-Oct-22 15:05:43

Leaning! We need an edit button.

My phone always wants me to type the word virus when I'm trying to post Boris

Farzanah Fri 21-Oct-22 15:07:48

Zoejory

I've read that Ben Wallace might back Boris Johnson. I could be wrong

The list of Johnson’s misdemeanours in government is so long perhaps too numerous for backers to remember. Plus the fact he is still the subject of a Privileges Committee Investigation.
He did his best in government to devalue Brand Conservative, and it seems for supporters to back him for leader again is an act of self immolation.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Oct-22 15:12:02

Half the Tory party hate Sunak and the other half hate Johnson.

They are not going to show a United front for more than 5 minutes.

It will be all sweetness and light to begin with but there are too many grudges and paybacks to keep the party United.

HeavenLeigh Fri 21-Oct-22 15:14:55

I really need to put my specs on I was reading Hetty58 post and read it as an electrician seems to be the only sensible way forward! ??

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Oct-22 15:20:12

Anyone posted this yet - 30 seconds - total hoot...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtNxp7sfhE

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-22 15:28:15

Farzanah, yu were right. Wallace is backing Boris. He has plummetted in my estimation.

Of course he could have just said that to get the endless pleading phone calls from other candidates to go away. It also means he will probably be able to keep his job as Defence Secretary, whoever ends up as winner. That can only be a good thing.

Maudi Fri 21-Oct-22 15:43:23

I think the back stabber Sunak is going to win unfortunately, its a done deal imop. He's who the MPs wanted but the party voted for Liz Truss. I think they know he has the promised 150 MPs willing to vote for him and that's why 150 is the magic winning number.

Zoejory Fri 21-Oct-22 16:00:08

I'm wondering if any MPs suffer from shy Tory syndrome in some way.

Do they have to publicly state who they will.support?

Many Conservative voters will claim to be voting anyway but Tory which explains some of the misleading polls we see.

starlily106 Fri 21-Oct-22 16:04:13

Boris is already flying home !!!
I can't really think of anyone I would want to be Prime Minister. The whole world must be having a laugh at this country. I can see lots of trouble brewing, because the public are so sick of all the scandals which are happening in Parliament.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Oct-22 16:12:20

I heard this morning, that Johnson will not put his hat into the ring unless he is pretty sure he can win??

My god this country is insane.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Oct-22 16:14:17

The other scary issue is that the online vote is considered a real security risk and Russia May well hack into it.

Given Johnson’s closeness to the Russians ………….?

lixy Fri 21-Oct-22 16:14:27

Oh no! And Ben Wallace was one of the last good people around in my book. I hope he stays as Defence Minister even so.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Oct-22 16:16:52

They aren’t thinking about the country are they?

They are going for the one they are hoping can keep their jobs