Boris Johnson - a warning from history

I don’t think Boris planned it exactly as it worked out but he is an opportunist and it certainly looks like he’s about to seize the opportunity. There do seem to be more of the electorate iIn favour of him than other Tories but the polls aren’t always right. Whatever this is the last chance saloon.

he is on holiday too, isn't he?

On his way back Jane

No wonder Labour is clamouring loudly for a general election.
A certain B. Johnson Esq. back as PM would be their worst nightmare.

I hope Boris watched Question Time last night, the audience were vocal about his resurrection.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Boris is very popular with most of the electorate

I think you'll find that you are, once again, deluding yourself Ug.

There have been numerous Conservative MP’s on various news items over the last 18 hours saying that their inboxes are full of support from constituents for Mr,Johnson.

As unpalatable as it is for some, there are people on the street who still see BJ as one of them he appeals to those on the fringes of politics due to his one of the blokes persona.

Johnson wasn't even 'popular with most of the electorate' at the 2019 general election. More people voted against him than for him.

(and please, don't anybody tell me that tories won more seats. Seats are not electors, people are)

I agree with Maw on this.

As I said elsewhere, I can't think of any credible theory other than the 'conspiracy' one that would have resulted in Truss, an MP who I have never heard one single person in the past have a good word for, who many people at best considered a laughing stock, making it through to the final two in the leadership elections, let alone then be chosen by the membership as the new PM.

It was quite clear that she would be a disaster. You didn't have to be a political expert to see that. IMO there had/has to be a hidden agenda. Whether that was to pave the way for Johnson's return, or something even more sinister, I don't know, and still remains to be seen ...

JenniferEccles

No wonder Labour is clamouring loudly for a general election.
A certain B. Johnson Esq. back as PM would be their worst nightmare.

Most of the country appears to be clamouring for a GE, JenniferEccles.

Most of them are sane people with more than half a brain and a strong moral compass.

When has it EVER been a good choice to go backwards? And more than that, when has it EVER been a good choice to go back to something that didn't work?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. This country needs HELP.

I am going to have to confess to watching a bit of Nigel Farage on GBN last night and he asked his audience who would like Boris back, I think much to his surprise very few wanted him back. Lots of people talk about him as if he is a naughty boy but I don't think it necessarily means they want him running the country (or not) again.

After watching his equally slippery sister on Question time last night, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there were a plan to bring him back all along. If they do I will never consider the party a voting option again.
There is something going on in the conservative party that the public doesn't know about, but if they want a Labour landslide at the next election they should carry on just the way they appear to be.

A friend who is a committed Conservative thinks Boris has been hard done by and was just a victim, she'd forgive him and have him back. It's not a point of view I agree with!!!

But remember it was the MP’s themselves who put Truss up against Sunak! They wanted their man so badly that Mordaunt wasn’t in the final two. And up until then she had the edge over Truss.

The MP’s wanted the lesser candidate for the membership vote. They banked on Sunak winning as he’s slicker. However, much to the surprise of the Tory MP’s, the membership voted for Truss as they couldn’t get over that Sunak had plotted (with Gove) and stabbed Boris in the back!

Plotting and planning doesn’t always deliver the desired outcome.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Boris is very popular with most of the electorate

I think you'll find that you are, once again, deluding yourself Ug.

There have been numerous Conservative MP’s on various news items over the last 18 hours saying that their inboxes are full of support from constituents for Mr,Johnson.

As unpalatable as it is for some, there are people on the street who still see BJ as one of them he appeals to those on the fringes of politics due to his one of the blokes persona.

Johnson wasn't even 'popular with most of the electorate' at the 2019 general election. More people voted against him than for him.

(and please, don't anybody tell me that tories won more seats. Seats are not electors, people are)

MaizieD we know electors vote

You can dress it up however you please but the fact is that when Mr.Johnson was leader of the Conservatives they won with a 80 seat majority under the current electoral system in the U.K.

My preference would be a GE in November in order to start a fresh in 2023.

(LBC viewers this morning are 50-50 split on Mr.Johnson)

I’m wondering if Truss was in on it ( plot to get Boris back ?) from the start. Something about the smirk she had when she announced her resignation ….

Lovely cartoon of Guy Fawkes sat under the H of P about to light the gunpowder kegs. In comes a fellow conspirator and says “don’t bother. They are blowing themselves up.”

My son is a political "smart arse". I remember a discussion with him just after Johnson resigned and he told me with absolute conviction that he'd be back. I'm going to hate his crowing smile when he says "I told you so, Mum".

JenniferEccles

No wonder Labour is clamouring loudly for a general election.
A certain B. Johnson Esq. back as PM would be their worst nightmare.

Mine too.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Boris is very popular with most of the electorate

I think you'll find that you are, once again, deluding yourself Ug.

There have been numerous Conservative MP’s on various news items over the last 18 hours saying that their inboxes are full of support from constituents for Mr,Johnson.

As unpalatable as it is for some, there are people on the street who still see BJ as one of them he appeals to those on the fringes of politics due to his one of the blokes persona.

Johnson wasn't even 'popular with most of the electorate' at the 2019 general election. More people voted against him than for him.

(and please, don't anybody tell me that tories won more seats. Seats are not electors, people are)

MaizieD we know electors vote

You can dress it up however you please but the fact is that when Mr.Johnson was leader of the Conservatives they won with a 80 seat majority under the current electoral system in the U.K.

My preference would be a GE in November in order to start a fresh in 2023.

(LBC viewers this morning are 50-50 split on Mr.Johnson)

I am addressing the assertion that 'Johnson is popular with most of the electorate', GG13

He wasn't then, and is even less so now. I don't think he would be the electoral asset that some tories seem to think he is.

I don’t think he would be the electoral asset that some Tories seem to think he is

On that we agree MaizieD

If Johnson is selected I hope the (somewhat hampered by time ) investigation about him misleading Parliament finds him guilty.

What would happen then??

Well it is looking like it is a shoo-in for Boris.
They obviously think having him as leader is the best chance of them retaining their seats - there can't be any other reason.
What has he ever done?
Oh of course he got Brexit done - well we all know how that turned out.

#lasthopesaloon
The idea of HIM in charge again.

(And of course, dragonfly46 it actually isn't really done even now.)

My DH has always been a Boris supporter, although he is far from being unintelligent, uneducated or a dimwit! Last night, however, he surprised me by saying he was so disillusioned with all politicians that he won't be voting in the next election.
Having said that, DH secretly sees Boris as the best choice for leader of the Opposition successfully standing up to Starmer and challenging him across the table. His return may not be imminent but watch the space to come.